Advice needed Overnight Backpack

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  1. Gamera MC

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    Howdy,

    Aiming to do an over nighter snow camping later this season. Have been acquiring gear over the last 12 months (already have decent kit for day trips).

    Am a little unsure on the backpack situation.
    I already have a good 30L pack with all the features I need for day trips (Jones Higher 30L).
    Obviously need a bigger pack for camping. So I have a few ideas either I:

    1) buy a decent quality hiking pack around 60L (not specialised for alpine/skiing) and strap my empty (except for avi gear) daypack to the outside for trip to camp and tow snowboard behind me on a rope. Then leave mainpack at camp and go out in the days with smaller pack.

    2) buy an alpine specific skiing backpack to carry everything in and once camp is set, empty contents at camp and ride with the bigger pack cinched down. - presumably this will be a more expensive pack.

    Other things to consider, I am a snowboarder currently on snowshoes, so with the first option would need to strap shoes to day pack and day pack to bigger pack (doesn't seem ideal.) Ultimately want to get a splitboard which will ease that burden, but not for this year. A Pro of getting a 60L alpine/ski pack would be that it could carry regular/splitboard if required. (walking up to Stirling for example.)

    Have attached links of a couple of bags I've looked at for option 1.

    http://www.kathmandu.com.au/incite-gridtech-xt-pack-graphite-orange.html
    Has more 'features' and seemed more weatherproof but felt a bit less comfortable to wear. straps thinner, less padding etc.

    http://www.mountaindesigns.com/store/products/160474/mam-heron-light-r-sack-60-15l
    Has less features, and possibly less weather/damage resistant but seems more comfortable to wear, thick and comfy padding on straps, hip belt etc.

    Am curious what people have done/what works for them and any advice they may be able to give to me for my situation.

    Hope that makes sense, a bit longwinded I know,
    Thanks! :cheers:
     
  2. Fozzie Bear

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    @Gamera MC ask admin to move this to the Backcountry section as it will get better exposure to knowledgeable people there. Re packs for backcountry, what fits you best but look a bit above Krapmandu and Mountain Designs which are pretty much built to a price. Most will be hauling Mont, Macpac, Summit to Sea, Cactus, Osprey etc....
     
  3. Gamera MC

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    thanks @Fozzie Bear

    Yeah the pack at mountain designs was a Mammut

    @Claude Cat Can you please move this to the BC section?

    Cheers,
     
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    I knew which thread I was looking for ;)

    Thought you'd be interested to see others have grappled with same issue. What I found is that a 45L ish pack with some expansion capability is perfect for this kind of thing; it's big enough for multi-day trips and small enough for day touring.

    I ended up getting the Cilo Gear 45L ski pack and it has been amazing, but there's quite a few packs of this type around on the market.
     
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    and do they have a poo tube attachment in case your up in Main Range Kosy needing a quick crapper...:p
     
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  10. TIA_Macca

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    I second osprey packs !!
    I use the Atmos 65 and it is by far the msot comfortable pack iv ever worm . Really well thought out and is the best balanced pack iv used . Iv only done a handfull of touring trips with it , an while im not sure the side straps are designed for skis( maybe they are ) they do the job well . Decently priced too
     
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  11. Gamera MC

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    Wouldn't go anything less than 80L myself. But i like comforts and am prepared to forgo a day to cart comforts with me.
     
  13. NeoSamurai

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    80L for an overnighter?
     
  14. GS

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    I've occasionally gone multi day walking using a 40lt pack with a tarptent strapped to the outside. I'd love to be able to do the same skiing but find i need about 60-70 litres based on my 80 litre pack never being completely full. I'm happy enough to use the same 80 litre pack as a day unit if base camped somewhere....it's also an Osprey and has side straps to dramatically reduce its size.
     
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    Used to stuff on the outside of a much smaller pack. Now either fill up the inside or leave it part empty. More flexible than trying to cram into a smaller pack.
     
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    I'm a fan of a larger pack which fits everything inside too.
     
  17. BrianWilson

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    Me to. I have a lowe alpine 70lt which can expand another 15lts. If I am on a multi-dayer I take a much smaller day pack than normal; 15lt v the normal 30lt I use for day trips.
     
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  18. Moondog55

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    Well I use 110+ litres as that is the pack I have
    I do also have a 60 litre pack for summer of course
     
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    Bush Patrol fills his 110L pack for one night. And has shit hanging off the outside. But he likes the challenge. Still carting that -50 rated bag and has still never had to zip it up. Makes me piss myself laughing every time i camp with him.
     
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    But you do get enjoy the various benefits.
     
  21. BrianWilson

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    You may be laughing but I was crying when the Bush Patrol was sleeping in his jocks with the bag open in minus 13 on top of Mt Townsend. Everything I had with me was on and I was still shivering and waking every hour. I have since invested in a much better sleeping bag but I will never ever bag out the Bush Patrol for lugging his minus 50.
     
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  22. Moondog55

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    Only -50C??
    At least his has a zipper for when it is only -20C
     
  23. sbm

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    I have a Macpac Ascent 70L and a BCA Stash that's about 30L.

    I'm with the bigger pack guys, smaller than 70L and you will struggle on overnighters unless you're a bit spartan. I hate having to strap stuff to the outside! After I shove my bag, huge Synmat and plush 2-person tunnel tent in it, gets tight trying to fit a few day's food on top.

    For main range trips where skiing is the goal I usually prefer to "base camp" for a couple of nights, and with the Macpac I take the lid off and cinch everything up to use as a day pack, or I go full Snow Blowey and lug both packs out to the designated campsite (big one on the back small one on the front), this gives me room for creature comforts as well as I can go skiing with the smaller day pack which is much more fun.

    If you go to Mountain Designs in the Sydney CBD, try and talk to Matt the assistant manager. He's an AT skier who I've been skiing with for years, and actually uses the stuff, though he can be a bit enthusiastic about whatever latest and greatest they have in stock . He tried to sell me on the Mammut packs too but I ended up going with BCA - diagonal ski carry was a must have for me.
     
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  24. Gamera MC

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    Thanks @sbm , im based in Albury so won't be able to do that.
    I'm getting a better idea of whats req'd tho which is good.
    Until i get a split board (aiming for next season) I will need to take big pack + my day pack for snow shoes/board carry on the climb. Once have split, can probly just manage with 1 big pack cinched down for excursions out of base camp.
    Big pack minimum of 60 L, but probly prefering 65-75L and must have ski carry function (for future splitty if req'd)

    Certainly helps narrow the field down, Looks like I may need to spend more then what I'd hoped.
    Like most things, you get what you pay for :cheers:
     
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    Another vote on the larger side here, I use an 80lt. Another benefit is you can fill it with a foam mat, and make photos hucking with a full pack!

    Means I can have everything inside, with the weight well positioned. You can certainly do a weight weenie with a 45lt though, if you want to ski hard, and sleep, with not much in between.
     
  26. GS

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    I tend to schlepp the same gear whether away for one night or multiple nights...only food changes. The old J&H Winterlite bag takes up a fair bit of real estate inside the pack. Tried a smaller bag but nuts are too precious.
     
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  28. NeoSamurai

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    Also look at Cilogear and Zimmerbuilt Alpine backpacks. Much lighter than some of those heavy ~3kg monsters!
     
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  29. Draizuh

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    I use a Osprey Kode 42L for Daytouring with a tripod and lenses and overnighting. Can fit Mat, Sleeping bag, jetboil etc inside. i put the tent through between the drawstring opening on the wet compartment and the helmet carry.
     
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    The Cilogear 'Worksacks' are probably the best designed/built Alpine backpacks around anywhere. Strong, very durable and lightweight too. My BIL had an Alpine 80L custom one made last year and it truly is a thing of beauty. I'd have to sell my first born to buy one though :( - I'll miss her...
     
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  31. Richard

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    Has anyone got suggestions for a good 50-60l overnight pack for small shouldered women ?
     
  32. DJM

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    I'm in the 80 litre + camp, and preferably canvas over cordura and the like. Gram counting can be offset with some strength/endurance training. Cinch it down if it's not full. I ride with an Ascent and Torre (super sized) no problems.

    Durability is super important for me and you can strap boards, splittys or skis to an 80l pack much easier than 50l and it has less tendency to swing around with the extra length in webbing etc. It's better to work from a heavier/larger setup back to the lightweight thing as you gain experience in the BC IMO.

    The bulk of a nice warm sleeping bag and tent should help you understand that.
     
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    Osprey have a good range of women specific packs. They have quite a few in the range but like ski boots you should try them on to see the difference in harness setups. Worth a look IMO. +1 had one and would put her in the small shouldered category.
     
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    Both One Planet and Mont have the packs you are looking for.
     
  35. Richard

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    thanks,

    Looks like that corner of Sussex st in Syd has almost all the stockists I need.
     
  36. DJM

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    Yep, the Kent street strip has everything you need. Lots of great equipment stores.
     
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  37. Ricardo64

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    I'm going to throw a proverbial cat amongst the pigeons .....

    have you considered a ski Pulk. since you have the snow shoes already, the pulk will allow you to cart your stuff in to base camp from there you already have your avi pack.

    If you move to splitboarding the parameters still stay the same minus your snow shoes..
     
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    Pulks are great
     
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    Another vote here for Osprey womens packs. I don't bc ski but did lug my ( now 13yo) 70l Osprey Luna around Torres del Paine for 7days with all gear and a week's worth of food. Fully loaded I needed a hand (or seat) to get it on my back but once on it was super stable and a comfy as a heavy pack can be.
     
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    My girl is quite happy with the berghaus trailhead. Its copped a flogging and done some lengthy travels with plenty of weight .
     
  41. Ricardo64

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    Just purchased an Osprey Kode 42, still waiting for it to land. Looks like a good in between day and overnight pack. looking forward to it .
     
  42. DJM

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    No. I love hauling but it's like taking an old Dodge truck to the race track. Pulks are for trench warfare not skiing lines on the weekends.
     
  43. Gamera MC

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    @mick chopps had raised the question of taking a toboggan to act as a sled, My concern was getting back down the hill with it? Have also considered strapping 2 snowboards together (providing going with another boarder) to tow stuff on the way up (but again would need a pack to hold it all as we'd be riding down on the return trip)
     
  44. mick chopps

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    I was mostly being facetious... Except when I wasn't.
     
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    Are very poor sleds, they go all over the place.

    Someone here as done the experiment.
     
  46. Gamera MC

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    Hrmm, Now that i think of it, when towing my board along (sans payload) it usually seems to have a mind of its own...

    Sounds like my best course of action is for @mick chopps to get a Pulk and tow all my O/N stuff up and down for me.
    :cheers:
     
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    Ended up getting osprey volt 75L. Good compromise between size, features, cost and can attach my daypack with snowshoes etc to outside. Will certainly be enough get me out there & started! Thanks for all the advice/tips :cheers:
     
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  49. Ricardo64

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    My Osprey Kode 42 just arrived :cool: Very happy with the features and quality. Won't hesitate to get another Osprey..
     
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  50. Mister Tee on snow shoes

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    I have a massive MONT canvas pack that I use for white season and green season trips . I still have stuff strapped to the outside so that people are stunned at the 25 plus kgs I cart up and down the VIC ALPS all year round.
    I can say that my 46 y.o. knees won't take this kind of strength and endurance testing indefinitely, but the hey, future is for anxiety sufferers.