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Discussion in 'Mt Baw Baw' started by Richard, Jun 4, 2016.
Official reports commence Sat Jun 11 (maybe!)
Nothing to report, anyone? Cams look promising; perhaps we'll have a better idea in the morning.
2016 brochure is now available and I just noticed they have "Wicked Wednesday" with $25 lift tickets.
Well worth a "blow the cobwebs out" day.
Ok, rolled the dice and got away with it, just. The cams looked good, the snow report said 7 cm, so maybe 5-10? Can be skiable on the groomers at bb. It was opening week-end. My wife wanted to visit her mother. The catch? She wanted to visit on Sunday. So I bit the bullet, booked a room for Monday night.
Of course, by Sunday the cams looked disastrous with the surface eroded either by rain (?) or high traffic in the bowl and down the path to Kelly's cafe. Too late to cancel; the $$ had been extracted from the visa.
I drove up and walked through the village, expecting bitter disappointment. But even from the car park, there was cover to be seen all the way down Champagne. Of course, the lower xc trails were predictably all chewed up by the huskies- unskiable. Lots of footprints from walkers, too. But the summit run looked good, top to bottom, except that mountain staff had the whole entry area cordoned off, apparently to protect their delicate snow making equipment. (no snow was made). This despite the fact that the bottom half of summit trail is clearly marked on all maps as part of the Village xc trail. And, let's face it, snowboarders would have scraped off that thin cover quick as if they got in there.
Of course, there was a way through and I skied up the hill under the T-bar, then zig zagged across to the summit with only one of the snow making team calling out to ask what I thought I was doing. What did he think? But he couldn't catch me. The view from Mueller's lookout was superb and lunch was good too. The trail west from the summit to 5 ways was fair to good with a few melty patches in the afternoon sun, skiable all the way despite the boot prints. After turning right, McMillans trail offered the best cover as no walkers had been out there and the run at the bottom to rejoin the village trail was lots of fun. Out at the resort boundary it was clear that a tour out to St Phillack or Gwinear was not feasible due to thin cover and rocks so I made my way back up to Maltese trail and cut across to the top of the Hut run and back down to the pub. Glad I was there and not at the MCG.
It was icy Tues morning and the cover was only just. But the top of the Hut held up nicely and I got in half a dozen runs before lunch. The top of Champagne was tempting but icy in the shade. By early afternoon, my legs were complaining that enough was enough, so it was back down to the village via hut and lower summit (watch those snow guns) and off the mountain early. Still, skied on opening w/e despite no lifts running. Love those free heel skis.
Your FB link does not work John.Plenty of snow predicted for Friday and I will be up at MSG on Saturday,so will give a report later on the MSG thread.
Baw Baw yesterday morning
and a bell bird day today
Bell bird is maybe blue, or is that bawbawbel?
I was hearing bells when all that snow was falling.. or was that the gluehwine
Thanks, but I thought the OP might have meant "blue bird" day. Can't wait to get up there this week.
Yep that what i saw
Its fantastic up there have not seen it like that for a long time, driving back yesterday snow on all the hills in icy creek. Very strange driving down the hill and there being snow on the sides of the road till Icy creek. Hundreds of trees down clean up crew had a lot of work to do .
Icy Creek driving home on sat aprox 3pm
Snow was down low by the Thompson valley road when I drove up SF road from St Gwinear on Tuesday afternoon. Wicked Wednesday saw half price lift tickets but then we discovered that only half the runs were open. What? 20-25 cm of snow under the trees but where the grooming machine had been through it was scraped down to almost nothing, with dirt and rocks showing through, especially up the top of the Summit run. Lots of snow through the trees up the top of Hut but they only ran the lift half way. Fortunately, Champagne was open top to bottom and the MC lift was running but it was thin and patchy in places. A good fun day but hopefully after another snowfall, they might get it together to open all the runs.
Thank You !!
Those South Suffolks look nicely fattened by the way
Great conditions at bb on Wednesday with 15-20cm of fresh, very dry snow. White by the road at Neerim and in the trees from Tanjil Bren. Signage said fitting chains to all vehicles as snow covered the road from Chain bay 4. Only a limited area was open for sliding with the best snow through the trees at the top of the Hut run with some ice where the artificial snow had been produced down lower. I skied out of the resort on Thursday and put the only tracks through the fresh along the village trail out to Mcmillans where the narrow run from the short cut to the junction was a hoot. The village return trail to the right was still blocked with a sign saying "Closed for summer maintenance". Hah!" Ventured a short way onto the plateau along the Tanjil trail but turned back just after the bridge over West Tanjil creek as the cloud rolled in and visibility deteriorated. Light snow on the way back. Chains required on the way down the hill, too.
Thanks for report, chriscross. I'm bunkered down with a cold at the moment but, if able, will get an MSG ski in over the weekend. Cheers.
Went up for the first time this year, yesterday. Only Tank and Hut lifts running. The cover was reasonable with some brown patches evident in the morning and more appearing as the day progressed. Not a lot of people there, but with only two lifts, the lines stretched out at times. Good weather with some sunny patches but mostly light fog. Overall, I had a good day but with Melb temps around 15 - 17C for the next few days, unless it gets cold enough at night to run the snow making, the snow will not be much good later in the week. Hoping for the next dump!
Today Hut lift going right up to the top!
That will open up a hill full of snow!
Went up on Wednesday. R**n Tuesday had cleared the road and no chains required. Misty drizzle in the carpark had me worried but in true bb style it started spitting ice, then snowing properly by lunchtime. The Hut platter was running to the top and fresh cover through the trees was very nice indeed. But some variety was in order so after a few runs I cut across the top of Maltese and out to 5ways junction and up to the summit from the west. Fresh tracks in fresh dry snow, out of the wind. The top of the summit run was wind scoured and icy but below that was very good cover, totally skiable, 20cm in the gauge 1/2 way up.
On Thursday the wind was warmer so lots of ice falling from trees and cover was thinning noticeably by afternoon. Some crew from ski hire in the lift queue were talking about cutting through the trees and sliding down Champagne to Kelly's for lunch. Great idea, best run of the day until one of the boarders caught an edge, stacked heavily and hurt his knee. Hope it's not too bad. Cover won't last with these warm temps.
Well, we all know that poor old BB is struggling a bit this season but, on the basis that there had been a small amount of snowfall on Wed/Thurs, I decided to take a chance and go up on Friday. It wasn't too bad! Ok, I had to walk from the car park all the way to the bowl ( boy, heavy ski boots sure are not good for walking long distances, even with the buckles loosened off!) and there was a large patch of mud near the load station of Tank Hill, but both Tank Hill and Hut Run actually had a good cover with no holes or brown patches. I guess that some nights were OK for the fan guns and coupled with the 8cm of fresh the cover was really quite good. The car park was about a third full and a couple of buses with a school group meant that the place had an "alive" feel without being crowded. When I left at about 4pm the snow had softened but was holding up fairly well. Next few days will knock it, though.
Very useless and late report. Got into BB on Monday August 1 (to the 4th). It was pretty heartbreaking. Rain, little snow in the village and a lot of the snow had washed away even up at the top of towards the summit. Late evening it started sleeting and by morning 6mm had fallen. It was enough (and I was actually surprised) to get around the xc trail and pretty nice up top up Summit Trail. Next day was still skiable but getting a bit patchy/thin, but the open runs were ok and in fact I had my best skiing later on Tuesday/Wednesday where it got 1mm. Thursday was starting to break up. Point of this report being that timing is pretty critical, but 6mm can be enough in the temps stay low overnight to get some usage if you can't get further away and the kids hanging around the place still had a good time. One thing I did also notice is how much less snow there is in the village compared with getting outside of it. I suspect that the lodge we were in was pumping out so much heat it ups the temperature and so looking out our window it looked like it was raining when the conditions were actually pretty nice out a bit further up the track.
What a difference a day makes. This is 1 cm according to the nosnow report.
20 cm. That is more like it.. But ring 03 5165 1136 and ask where Hut Run unloading. And Saturday? Been caught before.
I have a hypothetical for you:
Bawbaw reverts to ski club volunteer operations. (Too late to retain the chairlift which would have made BB top mountain bike destination in Oz) All facilities and equipment are not removed , thanks.
Volunteers run lifts on request, manage ski patrol, summer grooming. Toboggan operations self regulated, just like in N.Z
Bring your tube and bounce off trees. Nobody to sue. .
Sadly having been to the latest strategic planning meetings, there may not be any clubs left !!! Sadly they have forgotten what Baw Baw is and provides to family's and the community.
There is still a chance of starting up Mountain Biking at Baw Baw.
That doesn't sound too good. Can you give us any more info on future plans.
Well, we got to improve what we have been landed with.
Today, rather than groom the left hand runs for a super Saturday, they have been carefully fenced off!
We all know that the government is mentally deficient.
And all related authorities, which should be servants of the public, bask in indolent superiority.
I imagine that Belgrave Leisure have been locked into a maze of safety regulations, BUT,.
I asked "When does this home trail lift close? " " When I am told" says operator.
Here is the addendum for the next contract, which must have been overlooked in the present one..
"As a Downhill SKI resort, the following guidelines shall be observed:
1. Grooming and Hazard marking of all runs with sufficient snow shall take place BEFORE the published lift opening time, if reasonable. EVERY lift shall be available on reasonable request.
2. As most sliders are beginners, all drag lift paths shall be refurbished as often as necessary throughout the day, to a high standard.
3. Any toboggan deemed unacceptable shall be replaced with a "correct" one on a free loan basis.
4. An hourly bus shuttle should operate on weekends.
So nice to see good cover, yesterday. Great to be able to put skis on near the carpark. Great to see snow on the rooftops and in the trees. Baw baw is very pretty in conditions like that. Cover was great for skiing n but still only Hut and Tank open. Oh well, better than nothing.
I found out about the review, after submissions by private individuals were closed. I and I'm sure others would like to be kept up to date with whats going on. Does anyone know if it is possible to get info (e.g.minutes of meetings outcomes of discussions etc.) Is it possible to get in info on line, or via email? If not, if anyone here is on "the inside" so to speak, we would appreciate any updates. My own views is that the resort should be kept operating as much as possible as it is now. No new lifts, or rtizy development, just a basic minimalist place to ski. The staffing needs to be flexible so that during times of marginal snow, basic operations can continue and when conditions improve, the resort can fire up again.
This will be my 35th. year of skiing at Bawbaw, and I hope there will be more to come!
Everyone can still contribute the more the better, wether this changes things who knows ?? They would
have better spent the money helping the mountain. Most of these strategic plans already have outcomes set out , only follow process so it looks like they are listening. I Have put the link here it also has the thoughts from the first round of consultations.http://haveyoursay.delwp.vic.gov.au/mt-baw-baw-2030
Personal aversion to the Commercial option. It would fail, anyway.
I imagine lots of seats and picnic tables to the side of hut run from which non skiing family members would cheer and sustain their first timer heros. Short cleared pedestrian access through the snow to several vantage points.
I attended one of the LM sessions last Wednesday. I'll let you know how close their report goes to the mood of the session. For LM it seemed that the commercial option was favoured by the vast majority - probably due to the good results delivered by Belgravia. The economic sustainability of green season activities was also questioned.
Thanks for the post and adding the links all. I was unaware of the consultation (and that's after spending 5 days there 2 weeks ago).
A paid caretaker role such as that of Belgravia is assumed. Total transparency! Publish the details of their contract, for a start.
An email I received:
We wanted to remind you that there is one week left of the Mt Baw Baw and Lake Mountain 2030 project, make sure you have your say if you have not already.
All Australian alpine areas are facing uncertainties to their futures including the effects of climate change, changing tourism and recreation industries and a shift in visitor demographics.
We need to hear from everyone to plan for the future of Mt Baw Baw and Lake Mountain alpine resorts. The outcome of this project will be a set of recommendations that will enable the Victorian Government to make a decision to ensure that the resorts remain a sustainable part of alpine tourism.
Please visit the project websites to read the Future Directions Papers and provide your feedback on the future options for each resorts.
Mt Baw Baw haveyoursay.delwp.vic.gov.au/mt-baw-baw-2030
Lake Mountain haveyoursay.delwp.vic.gov.au/lake-mountain-2030
Feedback on the future options will conclude on Sunday 4 September.
All finished for the year, staff gone home, lifts packed up.
That probably means that the cold snap predicted for early next week will deliver a big dump to Baw Baw!
That's what usually happens
Hello, can anyone up there report on conditions this week? Is there a little snow or a lot? Or (heaven forbid) nothing much?
Cams seem to be stuck on August 30th. Kelly's, Charlie, can you help, is it worth a visit even for a little late season touring?
No reports forthcoming, I took the gamble and drove up, prepared to be disappointed. Glad I had not seen the cameras because the road by the toboggan run was bare and the bottom of the bowl showed dirt and grass. But lo and behold, from just beyond the summit T bar load area the ground had an almost solid white cover, 4-5 cm. Fresh and dry. Just sufficient. I skied up the run, dodging a few obstacles and wind scoured patches to find 5 cm at the snow gauge, zig-zagged up to the summit cairn and trail where the cover was even better. It started snowing lightly. My phone rang - weerab, a few hours too late. Fair to good skiing down to the 5 ways junction, despite a few melty patches on the more exposed drops. Pleasant runs through the trees at the top of Hut run which had the best cover. After lunch in the little hut, the wind rose and the snowfall got heavier. A snowboarder appeared, Zach, the chef from the restaurant, hiking up for his rides. Good effort. I toured around for a bit and skied the hut run again a few times before the legs began to complain. Cover was thinning and rocks were showing through. Enough. Good fun in October.
Hope you enjoyed your Spaghetti Bolognese!
Chris, really enjoyed that tour report, very well written. I think you could get a job as a script writer or perhaps write a few romantic novels. I'm not joking, it's very descriptive prose.
30+ cms at bb today in bluebird conditions. We drove through the cloud and emerged to clear blue skies. Too warm up the summit trail, I stripped down to merino t shirt and g-tex shell. Thanks to bb resort management for switching off the cams but the face book feed made it clear that the trip was on. Thoughtful hikers had stomped their way right up the middle of the trail to the summit but beyond that the trail improved. Skied the top of Playground, part way down the summit then out around McMillan's and out to Mike Bloomfield's picnic table for lunch. Awaiting weerab's pictorial report. Latest ski in October ever.
A PM late Saturday night from Chriscross re a trip to Mt Baw Baw. I had just put my chains away and had thought the season was finished. I was a bit doubtful until I saw pics on FB on Sunday! Almost didn't make it as a truck almost wiped us out on a blind corner on the way up, but thanks to CC's quick reflexes and possibly the Subaru's auto brake system we survived to ski another day. We didn't see any other skiers, some evidence of a boarder but we had the place to ourselves apart from the walkers who were not expecting any snow.