Living at dinner plain

Discussion in 'Hotham & Dinner Plain' started by Brad86, Dec 11, 2015.

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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    HI everybody,

    I'm looking to move to an Alpine village that gets regular snow however there aren't many options. Thredbo and Perisher are not licensed for permanent residency, and it barely snows in Jindabyne. I've had a bit of a look online and Dinner Plain stands out from the very small crowd. The property prices in DP are fairly reasonable compared to the major cities, however there are a few things I'm unsure about.

    Where do people buy their groceries? It doesn't look like there is a Coles or Woolies for ages. I wonder if they would deliver to dinner plain? Is there an actual town centre? A chemist? Petrol station? A gym?

    Is there anywhere in Australia, where it regularly snows, that would have these things (or a good number of them).

    I'm lucky in that my job can be home-based, all I need is a secure internet connection. Gotta be in Australia too.

    Thanks in advance for your help guys.

    Brad
     
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    bdenny4

    bdenny4 Dedicated Member

    Take a drive up and have a look
     
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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    I'm in the ACT, but that's definitely on the agenda. Just wanna make sure it's a viable option first :)
     
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    Azz

    Azz Dedicated Member

    Dinner Plain does not have everything you require, Omeo is about a 30 minute drive away and can tick the boxes for you.

    Looking at you list of requirements, maybe you should stay up there for a month over the green season and check it out before committing.
     
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    Apresski

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    Doesn't @Heli have a house in Dinner Plain? I would imagine the supermarket in Bright would do deliveries to DP.
     
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    Karicta

    Karicta Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    If vic, falls would be the go I reckon, maybe Buller....? (But you did say you wanted snow)

    Mt. beauty delivers much to your door during winter, but not sure about summer. There's an IGA on mountain though.
     
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    absentskier

    absentskier Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    Dinner Plain is really a very sleepy little place.
     
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    WaitAwhile

    WaitAwhile Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    We drove up to DP a few years ago to have a look and it appeared to be a ghost town during summer
     
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    absentskier

    absentskier Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    Fact is that we don't really have any towns above the snow line other than Falls and Buller. Or am I missing something?
     
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    Karicta

    Karicta Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Hotham
     
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    absentskier

    absentskier Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    I don't call Hotham a town to be honest. Frightful place.
     
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    whether

    whether Active Member

    I noticed you said you needed a secure internet connection. Does it need to be a certain speed for your job? Once you get out of the major cities (read large cities) internet speeds become something of a lottery depending on how far you are from exchanges and the like.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    I lived up there for a little while a few years. About 18 months all up.

    For permanent residence purposes it is remote. Omeo is not worth going to for grocery shopping, Bright Woolies is your only viable option. The foodworks is Omeo is reflective of the fact it is a very small town. Need petrol, Bright (66km) or Omeo (40odd). Best to keep a jerry can full most of the time. Basic town facilities in Omeo, Bright has all the other things mentioned in the opening post. It can get annoying doing a 120km round trip to get food.

    There is a permanent crew up there, but not many. Primarily employed in the few businesses based up there. Apart from that it is very, very quiet in summer apart from a few weekends.

    Not sure what the internet is like up there for anything other than wifi. You'd probably have to get Telstra wifi, wouldn't be counting on the NBN.

    calling @Boodwah for his input on this topic.

    Would I live there FT again? No. Is it a great place to visit, yes.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    What does this even mean?

    Thredbo is a town. You can live there year round.

    It has easier to access to all the services you listed in the OP and would have a lot more going on all year than Dinner Plain.
     
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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    @Seth

    The property titles in Thredbo and Perisher are leasehold - this is the case with all real estate and properties located in the Kosciuszko National Park. Leases run until 2057 or 2058, and are subject to a certain number of bed licenses. It means that all property in the National Park is for holidays, and this means you are not allowed to live in the property full-time. There are obvious clauses for permanent residents, such as owning/running a business within the village.
     
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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    Thanks for the info guys. Looks like Dinner Plain is not much of an option. 120km trip to get groceries is full on, and ADSL2+ broadband is a must.

    Has anyone heard of people living in Thredbo fulltime who aren't employed there/running a business there? Would love to know if there are any loopholes to get around the leasing issue. I absolutely love the place.
     
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    Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old And Crusty

    Yep, plenty live in Thredbo year round just because
     
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    Boodwah

    Boodwah Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    If you can work from home then Thredbo is possibly the better option. There's a few more facilities, golf course etc, however property prices are obviously massively higher.
    You can still snaffle a pretty little freehold 2-3 bedroom free standing house at DP for $250K. Whilst it has a great atmosphere in winter, DP is pretty sleepy during the off season months. High Plains Hotel, the Cafe and the Pub are open year round. There's a mobile repeater on the water tower so good 3G reception always. Rates are around $2600/yr which includes snowclearing fire-preparation and roadwork, but you'll need an extra $350 resort entry each year if you want to park your car anywhere in the Hotham resort. The small grocery shop (currently being rejuvenated) sells all essentials, and there's a good value delivery service that operates from Bright. The pool/spa/onsen/gym is seasonal, although I expect one day it'll be open all year round. Getting a tradie for your plumbing, gas or electricity is never a problem. Chemist fuel and hardware is Omeo (30 mins), and we get firewood wherever.
    There's a permanent community up there, with some nice families and couples who all like the mountain life. It's a place with as many options as you want to partake: an awesome base for fishing, hunting, biking, touring, gold fossicking, trail running or walking, with some fun regular weekend events.
    There's nothing better than coming home after a day's skiing and putting on your XC or touring skis and heading off from your front door. Then back for a hot shower and red wine in front of the fire to watch the footy.
    If you want a busy social diary, forget it. Most permanent residents, whilst sociable, enjoy the solitude of what is pretty much wilderness. That's what makes it attractive to us.
     
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    climberman

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    Everyone I know living there (OK, so it's only four people) work there (but not all for there).

    @sastrugi for info?
     
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    Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old And Crusty

    A couple of people who I knew who lived there were in the fortunate position of not having to work.....
     
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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    Thanks again for your help guys. I've done a little more research over the weekend and DP is still in the running. Booked an apartment there for 3 days in late January. 5 hours drive from Canberra. Should be a good little roadtrip. I was surprised how many places had sold out over that weekend already (Australia day).
     
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    Boodwah

    Boodwah Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Go via Thredbo, Tambo wilderness, Benambra and Omeo - stellar drive.
    And take the aeroguard.
     
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    Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old And Crusty

    Really think you should give Thredbo a closer look. Sure it is expensive but it is a genuine village with year round activities, is close enough to Jindabyne and Cooma for large town facilities and closer to a major city, Canberra, when you need a decent hospital for those oh shyte moments or an airport for the big escape whoopeee moments.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    Not really a surprise. Bare in mind, that it isn't a typical green season weekend. Try and spend some time there during the week.

    I agree with Angus.
     
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    The Plowking

    The Plowking Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    Y
    I do to.
    DP too isolated for permanent living myself.
     
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    mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Season Pass Silver

    Australia Day is the Audax weekend, hard to get a place anywhere
     
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    FatBoyDave

    FatBoyDave Well-Known Member

    While I love Hotham/Dinner Plain, I was going to suggest you check out Falls Creek village as an alternative. I find Dinner Plain and Hotham suffer from being 2 places separated by only 12km's, a resort entry, and an uncertain bus service. Hotham has the snow terrain but Dinner Plain has the full time community.

    Both Dinner Plain and Falls have year small full time communities. Falls is better setup for Summer activities with better establish MTB tracks and hiking in the non winter months.

    However, if it's the Audax weekend, getting to both places there could be slow going. Lots of cycling events that weekend.

    https://www.alpineclassic.com.au/public/index.php

    Please take care to avoid all the cyclists with white line fever going up and down the mountains.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    In bright. Cant imagine anyone is going to be staying in dinner plain for audax. Everything is based out of bright.
     
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    mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Season Pass Silver

    maybe but....ive headed up there for the last 4 or 5 and its always been a challenge to get accom within cooee if its not booked by November. weve taken places in out of myrtleford, freeburgh, and mt beauty......so i wouldnt think dp is a stretch for some to get a nice place
     
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    mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Season Pass Silver

    scored a place in bright with a pool tho this year....booked july :)
     
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    dossa5

    dossa5 Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Much of what Boodwah says is correct except the rates as I believe theyre somewhere above 3k but you get snow clearing. Dont buy near the ski pitch as the snow guns will do your head in.
     
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    gaz35

    gaz35 Active Member

    What did you decide Brad??
     
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    Boodwah

    Boodwah Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    If you needed another reason, DP now has its own brewery, the highest in Oz, best water and local ingredients. Making some very fine ales, 2 mins by mountain bike from anywhere.
     
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    The Plowking

    The Plowking Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    Let me guess...
    "Australia's highest brewery"
     
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    Boodwah

    Boodwah Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Yup, didn't require a whole lotta imagination. All the usual suspects for names of brews too.
     
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    Time

    Time Active Member

    I'd move there in a heart beat if my job didn't require access to an international airport in less than a 1hr drive.....

    Has more stuff than where i grew up, internet is fine over 3G/4G except in high season.
    Honestly, rent there for a few months, see if you like it.
     
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    Brad86

    Brad86 Active Member

    Sorry for the late reply gaz. I didn't end up making the move to DP. I went for a visit in November and the place felt like a ghost town, so staying in Canberra for the moment. Would be great if a savvy investor came along and threw some money into the place. Pop in a woolies and a petrol station and I reckon the place would start buzzing.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    A savvy investor would do exactly the same thing you did.

    It's only ever going to be a sleepy hollow.
     
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    currawong

    currawong Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    FYIW
    Falls Creek has ADSL2. There is a supermarket but it is small and out of ski season both stock and opening hours are limited. It is about 40 minutes from Mt Beauty, 90 from Albury/Wodonga. Summers are gradually getting less dead. Year round residents are allowed although some of the rules are a bit irksome for them (eg can't park in the village at busy times like Easter). Nice community with a fair bit of socialising.

    Still too quiet for my liking but closer to what you seek than DP.
     
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    skimax

    skimax Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    I had a house at DP for a few years,
    There is a core of permanent residents who do things like keep the CFA dinner plain fire truck , ensure that the infrastructure works including comms links, sewerage treatment etc. It now has a permanent brewery , but unfortunately the gym onsen pool massage complex only operates in winter now.
    Peaceful, a small shop and permanent restaurant /hotel set ups of high quality year round..
    as said the shopping is difficult and Bright is the main option at either IGA or woolies,
     
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    Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Addicted Member Season Pass Gold

    So is DP, Omeo or Bright the better option?
     
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    Apresski

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    Bright
     
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    Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Addicted Member Season Pass Gold

    That's my wife's preferred option, with DP a close second
     
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    Apresski

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    Omeo population 487
    Dinner Plain population 143
    Bright population 2741
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    Omeo is not great for access if you want to get anywhere else.

    Bright you can be in Melbourne reasonably quickly if needs be. Omeo is always a trek.
     
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    climberman

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    Buzz you might find Bright has a few too many cyclists :p
     
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    currawong

    currawong Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    Bright is a tourist ghetto, not really much of a place to live. Further up the valley in Freeburgh or Harrietville, or even out to Wandiligong would be better but you still need to brave the shops in Bright sometimes. Not so bad in winter but awful at christmas, easter and many weekends from spring to autumn.

    If it's a holiday home/winter base then DP. It's a hell of a drive to do everyday from Bright to Hotham.
     
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    Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Addicted Member Season Pass Gold

    What is that with Victorian tourist towns? Middle aged Lycra everywhere. Even in Lorne in mid summer you see far more Lycra than you do boardshorts.
     
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    Seth

    Seth Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    @Mufts would probably disagree.

    perception is funny, I'd be calling Harrietville the ghetto. Would much prefer Porepunkah to Hooter. Not as dark and damp in the winter.
     
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    currawong

    currawong Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    @Sadie spends a fair bit of time in Bright and agreed in a recent-ish post that the number of tourists had got to be a problem. IIRC she said that they survived by not being too close to the centre and walking rather than driving.

    Porepunkah would be ok. In busy times it might be worth shopping in myrtleford rather than going the much shorter distance to Bright. But it's that little bit further to drive to Hotham.

    Reality is that Kiewa Valley is a much nicer place to live. But some people are wedded to Hotham so they need to compromise.