Japan 2017 thread

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Donza, May 9, 2016.

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    winter

    winter Well-Known Member 30 Day Pass

    I have been a passenger day and night when travelling from Toyko to Hakuba using the Chuo service. The roads from the airport skirt around the city and I have not been in traffic, hence finally being brave enough on the 6th trip to hire a car (also we just love shinkansen trips). My original question is not about driving in Tokyo, more the conditions of the roads. We have always travelled on no snow days.
     
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    Zimboo

    Zimboo Addicted Member

    This be one way?
     
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    Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Season Pass Gold

    But realistically, you don't have to go through Tokyo.
    Head on the Bayshore route from Haneda Airport to Yokohama, then Yokohama - Machida Expressway (route16), Tomei Expressway, Ken-o Expressway to Chuo Expressway.
     
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    Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Season Pass Gold

    I drove from Iiyama to the Yokohama - Machida interchange, and it was 7100yen, one way.
     
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    Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Season Pass Gold

    Skirting around Tokyo from Narita Airport is more hassle than with Haneda Airport
     
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    Zimboo

    Zimboo Addicted Member

    So, for those looking at car hire ex Tokyo to Nagano Mtns, one can expect that the return cost is about 16,000yen in tolls plus petrol. Therefore, the to / return drive about 24,000 Yen in total (obviously depending on car)?
     
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    Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Season Pass Gold

    Around that....
    Tolls have gone up around Tokyo.... Or at least, they've made the tolling distance longer, so if you do short stretches, it costs more.
    Top tip :
    When you get a toll booth receipt with a bar code around Tokyo, make sure you show it to the next toll booth guy before handing over more money. The fee (1300yen) covers quite a distance.
     
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    argento

    argento Active Member

    I like your train of thought....:)
     
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    Zimboo

    Zimboo Addicted Member

    24,000Y in toll/petrol costs for the return journey. It really depends how many people you have in your group/family as to weather it's a more cost effective way to get to Hakuba. However the benefit of a car in hakuba....................
     
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    Zimboo

    Zimboo Addicted Member

    Actually didn't include 2 day car rental for the return trip cost, so real cost is more like 36,000Yen for a Tokyo to Nagano Mtns return cost (depending on car).
     
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    winter

    winter Well-Known Member 30 Day Pass

    I would have hired in Nagano if it was more cost effective. A family of 4, this is the best option. Plus we want the freedom of a car in Hakuba. Spent so much money on taxis in the past.
    The best option would be hiring a car in Hakuba for a week of our 2 week stay though they were booked out in October.
     
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    moz

    moz Active Member

    Nice Snowy Day at Appi today. Very cold & windy & only half the mountain open.

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    Not many people here + i've seen less then 10 westerners so far.

    2 new lifts - but i wish they had build hooded ones - as it was freeeeezing today!

    Hoping they open the rest of the mountain tomorrow as it hasn't stopped snowing since yesterday.
     
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    Tonester

    Tonester Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    I'll be there in over a month.Please, more reportage
    How's the off-piste there at present?
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    -3 all day in Upper Hakuba Valley today with wind scwals on and off, maybe -12 with wind effect. Iwatake had only 1 lift running for part of the day, with the top of Tsugaike closed for most of the day lower half in reasonable shape. Light snow mixed with sunshine all day.
    Good day on the hill if dressed appropriately
     
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    moz

    moz Active Member

    It's been a slow start to the season - but this week should make a big difference. We've found 1 open treed area, after bashing through some scrub. Haven't seen much as so much closed, but looks like good potential. Hopefully more lifts open tomorrow & I'll have more to report on. Definitely a lot easier to find stashes as not many people about. 1 strange thing is that they close a lot of lifts around 3pm - especially the ones that go up high.
     
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    moz

    moz Active Member

    this is how busy it is... 40cm overnight, they open the gondola around 11:30, snowing heavily - queue to get onto gondola is 10-15 people. That's it. Get to the top & get off & the Japanese skiers stop to take photos!
     
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    Hyst

    Hyst Active Member Season Pass Gold

    I pity somebody who can write like that.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2017
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    pedub

    pedub Active Member

    Anyone know where to get one of those lift pass holders that the locals seem to have on the local hills? Like a clear sleeve that has a strap around your arm? Nearly lost my Kokusai pass on the first run just clipping it to my jacket. After that it had to stay in my pocket
     
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    PMG

    PMG Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    You can have one of ours, we've got about six of them. ;) Depending where you are any of the accessories outlets near ticket offices should sell them.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2017
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    Heinz

    Heinz Old And Crusty Season Pass Gold

    Quite a few of the ski areas sell them. I've got a few at home as well.
     
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    tdc

    tdc Active Member Season Pass Gold

    Thats warm :)
    -20 plus wind at Kiroro yesterday.
    Today the wind is forecast to be stronger, its still a bit dark, but looks like over 20cm last night
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    :thumbs: Others that were with us are fair weather skiers and were ill prepared, can't tell them anything either.:( Had to supply some of my own gear. My crew were OK.
     
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    kaegee

    kaegee Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Definitely should have. But feel a little shy about approaching strangers to ask "excuse me sir, but are you The Dark Lord ";)
     
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    travelislife

    travelislife Dedicated Member

    Kokusai is an RFID pass though so shouldnt be any need to be visible. Acts on sensor. Had mine hidden in the specific sleeve pocket on my jacket and no issues.

    But yea for some of the smaller resorts will need armband.
     
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    Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Season Pass Gold

    Just say "Anakin ?" ;)
     
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    pedub

    pedub Active Member

    That's new! wasn't the case last year... cheers for the headsup,
     
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    M_G

    M_G Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

     
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    Born2skii

    Born2skii Active Member

    Those temps sound balmy. ;) It was -26c (-33c with windchill) when the lifts started this morning here in Fernie Canada. Even with hand warmers it was COLD. :emoji_penguin:
     
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    Mike Pow

    Mike Pow Dedicated Member

    Top lifts on windhold at Kiroro today (Thursday 12th), but lower mountain was giving over the head shots for fun.

    Cold though, -12 C

    Great first day back on Fantasy Island.
     
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    Mike Pow

    Mike Pow Dedicated Member

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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Plenty of love today in Hakuba. Snowed all night and all day, still snowing now. Generally medium to heavy falls. Have had at least 40cm in valley. I knocked 15 cm off my car roof this morning, 15 cm off after skiing today and there is 15 cm on car roof now since I stopped driving tonight, in 2.5hrs.
    Has anyone invented snow blowers for car roofs yet??
    Wind has been a factor in exposed areas, but snow dropping vertically in other protected spots.
    All family skied cream until lifts shut today, with tracks being refilled at least 3 times during the day. Location undisclosed.
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Plenty of love today in Hakuba. Snowed all night and all day, still snowing now. Generally medium to heavy falls. Have had at least 40cm in valley. I knocked 15 cm off my car roof this morning, 15 cm off after skiing today and there is 15 cm on car roof now since I stopped driving tonight, in 2.5hrs.
    Has anyone invented snow blowers for car roofs yet??
    Wind has been a factor in exposed areas, but snow dropping vertically in other protected spots.
    All family skied cream until lifts shut today, with tracks being refilled at least 3 times during the day. Location undisclosed.
    All happy skiers today
     
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    ojisan

    ojisan Part of the Furniture Season Pass Gold

    I read in the Yuzawa report on Snowjapan than two snowboarders are missing in Kagura... hope they are found (or its a false alarm)

    Stay safe peoples
     
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    Kash

    Kash Active Member

    So I arrive in Hakuba next Thursday, whih seems to be good timing based on Sandy's forecast above. Only issue is we cant venture too far from Happo with kids going to evergreen ski school. Is there enough to keep people interested just in Happo or should we make an effort to get to one of the other nearby resorts? The shuttle doesn't take too long right? Thanks
     
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    Tanuki

    Tanuki Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    I'd more than happily ski Happo for days, particularly with good snow. It's very easy to get to either iwatake or 47 from Hakuba, 47 might even be next door if you're staying in Echo Land.
     
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    Zimboo

    Zimboo Addicted Member

    I think/believe Evergreen also run ski school at Iwatake and Cortina. You may be able to all move around for a few days?
     
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    Tanuki

    Tanuki Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    The shuttle, or bus to Cortina is at least 40 mins from memory. I haven't been to Hakuba since 2013 so have no idea how crowded Happo is now. But in my three visits from 08-13 ,by 2013 I noticed a loooooot more AUS and Scanadanavians around the place.
     
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    Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Season Pass Gold

    Smelled the Scands?
     
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    Tanuki

    Tanuki Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Heard them in the dining room of our hotel each morning over breakfast. Everyone was else was quietly munching away as they shouted orders organising their hero trips to Cortina.
     
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    Kash

    Kash Active Member

    Thanks for this. Might also take the advice and try iwatake for a day with all of us
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Lots of fresh out there this morning, and very windy at times. Another 50cm on the car roof this morning after yesterday's 50cm and day before of around 40cm.
    My unofficial measure would be 150cm in 3 days, and that's in the valley. Don't know how much up top as cloud and wind has kept me low at Tsugaike and Goryu..
    It's very deep in spots, so be careful out there next few days, and ski with a buddy
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Lots of fresh out there this morning, and very windy at times. Another 50cm on the car roof this morning after yesterday's 50cm and day before of around 40cm.
    My unofficial measure would be 150cm in 3 days, and that's in the valley. Don't know how much up top as cloud and wind has kept me low at Tsugaike and Goryu..
    It's very deep in spots, so be careful out there next few days, and ski with a buddy
     
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    hotsaki

    hotsaki Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Why is everyone repeating themselves?Why is everyone repeating themselves?
     
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    M_G

    M_G Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    I just think it's Beerman
    Beerman
    Beerman
    B e e r m a n ..............
     
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    travelislife

    travelislife Dedicated Member

    It is something wrong with the server hanging or the like.
     
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    winter

    winter Well-Known Member 30 Day Pass

    Our family has arrived after a pretty seamless travel journey on the overnight flight with ANA. We were picked up from the airport in 10 mins to collect our hire car at Nippons office. We then had to pick up our etc and wifi router from a post office down the road (ToCoo arrangement). Nothing short of a miracle that a man opened the door to help me at 7am (was meant to open at 9).
    After a lot of searching he found our package. We have ended up with a Mazda premacy that fits our 4 bags and large snowboard bag perfectly with a lot of room.
    Driving out of Tokyo was a breeze, except no one seems to follow the speed signs!
    30km out of Nagano now and it is snowing.
    So glad we finally have a car.
     
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    M_G

    M_G Dedicated Member Season Pass Gold

    Good luck today and be careful. Road conditions are horrendous!
     
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    smackies

    smackies Addicted Member Season Pass Gold

    Hectic driving conditions around Hakuba, but it's been dumping all day.
     
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    Beerman

    Beerman Dedicated Member Season Pass Silver

    Yep server issues
     
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    mr muddle

    mr muddle New Member

    loving the posts @Beerman . I am looking forward to heading there in 4 weeks.