Advice needed First time in Japan.With max 7 nights.

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Ludaning, May 17, 2016.

  1. Sandy

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    Or if you ski at Shiga Kogen instead, Snow Monkeys are 20 min+ down the road by bus (plus the usual walk), depending where you are staying.
    And Shiga Kogen is dead quiet during the week, with hardly any gaijin.
     
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    Screw the monkeys. You will see them run across the road on the drive to Matsumoto.

    Looking at monkeys sitting in a man-made bath is underwhelming at best.
     
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  3. Sandy

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    You can do that when the weather's bad!!! ;)
    :out:
     
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    I saw cooler monkeys at Chuzenji that I did at Jigokudani.
     
  5. PMG

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    Monkeys, monkeys everywhere.
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    Maternal monkey.
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    Mad monkey.

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    Moving monkey.
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    Mini monkey.

    Recognise the last two Verm? ;)
     
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  6. Vermillion

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    Hard to tell from the pics, but I think I know.

    I had one fall out of a tree that was overhanging a backwood mountain road one day this year, almost ran over the poor guy. I think we were both equally surprised, being 1 of 3 cars in the carpark for the day I think he wasnt expecting anyone to come by and I certainly wasnt expecting a monkey to rain from the sky.
     
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    Lol. I wasn't being serious but the pics of the monkeys were taken just around the corner from this pic at Yuno Lake.[​IMG]
    Sorry, no more thread hijacking from me.:out:
     
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  8. Sandy

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    Monkeys are spread all across Shiga Kogen.... so much so, that they warn you to keep your windows closed when you leave your room.
     
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    if you chill your beer on the window sill,,, are the monkeys known to take off with the precious liquid?
     
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  10. Ludaning

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    That's ok. The monkey pics gave me a laugh.
     
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    Probably.... They will take anything.
     
  12. Ludaning

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    Was thinking would early February be a better time to go or no real difference.
     
  13. PMG

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    I left out marauding monkey.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Early February is usually :thumbs:.
     
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    Cheaper airfares feb
     
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    Yes, easier to book. Avoid Oz school holiday crowds.
     
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    Yeah early Feb is better as school has gone back.
     
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    Saying that maybe you should try Mid Feb. I know for this season that later was better. Though it is all a matter of luck. Have a backup plan to replace snow if things go pear shape again.
     
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    mmm last season may have been very ordinary for Japan. But as one of my guests said, stop apologising for the poor snow by Japow standards as it was still better than what we get in Aus.
     
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    While this is true, even comparing AUS conditions to that in Japan is unfair. If I had booked in to say Noz or Hakuba for a 1-2 weeks ski holiday this season I would have been disappointed too. If it was your first time then who cares you would have had a ball, but it took a bit of thinking and mobility to get the best out of the last season.
     
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  23. Ludaning

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    Just found this on you tube. Sorry if been posted before. A good fun intro to some Japanese resorts. And I'm still unsure where to go haha.
     
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    Hokkaido was fine this past season.Bumper year at Furano.Not so good when I was there last year.This year I went to Honshu. Not so good.Maybe I stay away next year ensuring a bumper season!
     
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    Please..... ;)
     
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    From what I have been told since, Myoko was actually very good compared with some more mainstream places on Honshu.
     
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    When the westerlies winds predominate, any resorts closer to the coast get more snow.
     
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    Location location location! We had 2 days where it was puking down at Joetsu on the coast. We were thinking there would be a metre of snow in the car park we would have to clear to be able to park. Continued snowing all the way back to Sekiyama and then stopped. Almost nothing back at the lodge. But the guests who were skiing at Suginohara had fresh tracks all day. Seemed a bit weird until Sandy explained that is what happens when the wind is from the North West.
     
  29. Ludaning

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    What are the on piste trails like in the Japanese resorts. Are they firm and fast. Or are the soft and powdery even though they're groomed. Are the resorts groomed differently.
     
  30. Donza

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    That's a snow issue.
    Sometimes it can snow so much that grooming is irrelevant.
    sometimes it doesn't snow for two weeks and the grooming is terrible (compared to Australia).
     
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    Depends on the weather and snow.
    Could be either.

    But unlikely to be icy in winter
     
  32. Donza

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    IMO (gross generalization ).
    Japanese don't groom as well as Australians .
    Its just something i've noticed.
    especially at Happo.
    (unless they are building the Banks)
     
  33. Heinz

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    Pretty much. There are many resorts in resorts and snow conditions and amount and extent of grooming varies quite a bit, so hard to generalise. But most places will at least get regular dustings of snow which will always freshen up trails. So more of the latter. Then there are many that will get another 30cm of fresh after being groomed. Other times you may get that odd rain event followed by a freeze which make it less than pleasant.
     
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    If you are going to Hakuba... 47 groom the best... IMO
    Iwatake groom well.
    Cortina is not somewhere you would go for groomers.
    Tsugaike is groomed like a pool table... however its flat.... but they overlap well.
    Problem I have with happo is they groom middle out..... like a wedge.
    Plus a lot of it is winched , so they don't seem to spend as much time.
     
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    In Oz I would guess a fair part of the grooming is to preserve the snow base which is generally not an issue in Japan.
     
  36. Donza

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    yeah , also dealing with higher moisture snow and tiller depth.
    whereas in Japan , usually they just set the blade high to knock the lumps and rake the fresh.
     
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    mmm that is definitely debatable. And depends on the resort and depends on which runs in the resort.

    Watched the groomers at Tiara groom out the unofficial moguls course that was skied in every day. Beautiful job of grooming. Better than I have ever seen in Aus.
     
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    It is rarely as hard under foot as it is in Aus. Usually the groomed runs are firm except on the days when it is freshies every run. Pretty hard to be anything but powdery when it snows a metre in a day.
     
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    Out of all the ones posted
    the phat house looks the best.
     
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    This is a MYTH imo.
    Japan is not powder everyday... and in a lot of cases can have snow equal or worse than Australia.

    People need to appreciate this...
    Its weather, its variable.
     
  41. Ludaning

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    Is that a dig because of my question:rolleyes:
     
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    Suppose ill learn when I get there. Until then all I can do is ask others who have been
     
  43. Donza

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    grooming wise?
    its the least of your worries
     
  44. Ludaning

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    Just curious is all
     
  45. Donza

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    nah fair enough.
     
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    Not sure what you are saying is a myth but I didn't say Japan is powder every day.

    There are days when you get freshies every run. Not many and not every day but they do happen. And it does sometimes snow a metre in a day where I am. In 2012 it snowed 4 metres in 3 days. It was overwhelming.
     
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    Go Niseko and Rusutsu.. Direct flights to Sapporo will be available. Avoid weekends and Chinese New Year I went in early feb for 5 days for first time, loved it and powder everyday inc 2 sunny days :) recommend going to Kutchan at night for dinner/drinks
     
  48. Ludaning

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    Too late. Flights booked to Tokyo with ANA. Arrive 8th Jan and leave 17th Jan. Now to sort out accomodation.
     
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    I'd be on the same flight....
     
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    Highly recommend Penke Panke. Justin is very friendly and the lodge is ideally located.

    Not a bad idea to keep some flexibility with your dates on mountain. Have 3-4 days accom locked down on snow, but then move it either side depending on the conditions. Its what I used to do pre kids and it always paid off. Nothing worse than having 7 days on snow pre booked inflexibly, and then having 7 days of now snow, only for it to puke the day you head to Tokyo for 3 days. Obviously its a slight risk (slight given all you need is one bed) that you cant find something, but its worth considering.