Brumbies KNP Management Plan Review

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  1. skifree

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    This is the compromise to get something happening. I disagree with it but understand that there are alternative points of view and the earlier a removal plan is actioned the better. Pushing for 100% removal with the current level of pro horse people will result in am impasse and nothing happening. So I'm reluctantly happy enough with the current draft plan.
     
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    I like dogs, how about a protection plan for the cute ones running around out there. Or a training program, so they can bring down brumbies. Rabbits are cute too.
     
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    FWIW, I think foxes are pretty cute too. Just not the crack foxes you get in the city dumps.
     
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    A lot of the save the brumby noise comes from people with vested interests such as horse riding and photography.
     
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    Interesting that the big 'save the brumby' protest in Sydney only got about 250 people and almost no media coverage. Probably shows how much interest there really is.
     
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    Horsey people are a very small minority of the population, mostly rural obviously though. Pretty vocal as minorities tend to be, makes sense in a way. When we had a public meeting here in canberra about use for the Majura Pine Forest, they were represented by two people, who were quite vocal, although in 20 years of riding there, I have never seen a horse, or even droppings, in the area. They really just wanted to make sure they could use it if one day if they wanted to I think. They do ride around the wider area.

    But Brumbies are the same as wild dogs. I like dogs, but I don't like wild dogs.
     
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    Thought they might tag on the end of the mutts protest which seemed better patronised.
     
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    now for the deer, pigs and goats...
     
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    You can bait and shoot them. The horsey people don't care.
     
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    Goats have big brown eyes.
     
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    And are delicious.
     
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    THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER by A.B. "Banjo" Paterson
    There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around
    That the colt from old Regret had got away,
    And had joined the wild bush horses - he was worth a thousand pound,
    So all the cracks had gathered to the fray.
    All the tried and noted riders from the stations near and far
    Had mustered at the homestead overnight,
    For the bushmen love hard riding where the wild bush horses are,
    And the stockhorse snuffs the battle with delight.

    There was Harrison, who made his pile when Pardon won the cup,
    The old man with his hair as white as snow;
    But few could ride beside him when his blood was fairly up -
    He would go wherever horse and man could go.
    And Clancy of the Overflow came down to lend a hand,
    No better horseman ever held the reins;
    For never horse could throw him while the saddle girths would stand,
    He learnt to ride while droving on the plains.

    And one was there, a stripling on a small and weedy beast,
    He was something like a racehorse undersized,
    With a touch of Timor pony - three parts thoroughbred at least -
    And such as are by mountain horsemen prized.
    He was hard and tough and wiry - just the sort that won't say die -
    There was courage in his quick impatient tread;
    And he bore the badge of gameness in his bright and fiery eye,
    And the proud and lofty carriage of his head.

    But still so slight and weedy, one would doubt his power to stay,
    And the old man said, "That horse will never do
    For a long a tiring gallop - lad, you'd better stop away,
    Those hills are far too rough for such as you."
    So he waited sad and wistful - only Clancy stood his friend -
    "I think we ought to let him come," he said;
    "I warrant he'll be with us when he's wanted at the end,
    For both his horse and he are mountain bred.

    "He hails from Snowy River, up by Kosciusko's side,
    Where the hills are twice as steep and twice as rough,
    Where a horse's hoofs strike firelight from the flint stones every stride,
    The man that holds his own is good enough.
    And the Snowy River riders on the mountains make their home,
    Where the river runs those giant hills between;
    I have seen full many horsemen since I first commenced to roam,
    But nowhere yet such horsemen have I seen."

    So he went - they found the horses by the big mimosa clump -
    They raced away towards the mountain's brow,
    And the old man gave his orders, "Boys, go at them from the jump,
    No use to try for fancy riding now.
    And, Clancy, you must wheel them, try and wheel them to the right.
    Ride boldly, lad, and never fear the spills,
    For never yet was rider that could keep the mob in sight,
    If once they gain the shelter of those hills."

    So Clancy rode to wheel them - he was racing on the wing
    Where the best and boldest riders take their place,
    And he raced his stockhorse past them, and he made the ranges ring
    With the stockwhip, as he met them face to face.
    Then they halted for a moment, while he swung the dreaded lash,
    But they saw their well-loved mountain full in view,
    And they charged beneath the stockwhip with a sharp and sudden dash,
    And off into the mountain scrub they flew.

    Then fast the horsemen followed, where the gorges deep and black
    Resounded to the thunder of their tread,
    And the stockwhips woke the echoes, and they fiercely answered back
    From cliffs and crags that beetled overhead.
    And upward, ever upward, the wild horses held their way,
    Where mountain ash and kurrajong grew wide;
    And the old man muttered fiercely, "We may bid the mob good day,
    No man can hold them down the other side."

    When they reached the mountain's summit, even Clancy took a pull,
    It well might make the boldest hold their breath,
    The wild hop scrub grew thickly, and the hidden ground was full
    Of wombat holes, and any slip was death.
    But the man from Snowy River let the pony have his head,
    And he swung his stockwhip round and gave a cheer,
    And he raced him down the mountain like a torrent down its bed,
    While the others stood and watched in very fear.

    He sent the flint stones flying, but the pony kept his feet,
    He cleared the fallen timber in his stride,
    And the man from Snowy River never shifted in his seat -
    It was grand to see that mountain horseman ride.
    Through the stringybarks and saplings, on the rough and broken ground,
    Down the hillside at a racing pace he went;
    And he never drew the bridle till he landed safe and sound,
    At the bottom of that terrible descent.

    He was right among the horses as they climbed the further hill,
    And the watchers on the mountain standing mute,
    Saw him ply the stockwhip fiercely, he was right among them still,
    As he raced across the clearing in pursuit.
    Then they lost him for a moment, where two mountain gullies met
    In the ranges, but a final glimpse reveals
    On a dim and distant hillside the wild horses racing yet,
    With the man from Snowy River at their heels.

    And he ran them single-handed till their sides were white with foam.
    He followed like a bloodhound on their track,
    Till they halted cowed and beaten, then he turned their heads for home,
    And alone and unassisted brought them back.
    But his hardy mountain pony he could scarcely raise a trot,
    He was blood from hip to shoulder from the spur;
    But his pluck was still undaunted, and his courage fiery hot,
    For never yet was mountain horse a cur.

    And down by Kosciusko, where the pine-clad ridges raise
    Their torn and rugged battlements on high,
    Where the air is clear as crystal, and the white stars fairly blaze
    At midnight in the cold and frosty sky,
    And where around The Overflow the reed beds sweep and sway
    To the breezes, and the rolling plains are wide,
    The man from Snowy River is a household word today,
    And the stockmen tell the story of his ride.

    The Bulletin, 26 April 1890.
     
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    shame he couldn't have written so eloquently about the miners at kiandra and other places
     
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    Shame the whole world was populated by white people.
     
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    I'm sure Banjo wrote about miners, he wrote about everything of his era.
     
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    Interesting, just peeked in at Berowra. It was only gazetted in 2012 as a National Park and they are complaining about the rifle range that has existed there since Federation.
     
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    Public exhibition and submissions period closes 5:00pm Friday 19th August!


    NSW NPWS update to the community and stakeholders on the Kosciuszko National Park (KNP) Wild Horse Management Plan Review process. - 12th August, 2016.

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    You are receiving this email as you have previously had interest or involvement in the community and stakeholder engagement process for the Kosciuszko National Park wild horse management plan review. Thank you for your ongoing interest in the development of the Draft KNP Wild Horse Management Plan.

    • A reminder to all community and stakeholders that the Draft Plan public exhibition closes in 1 week at 5.00pm Friday 19th August, 2016, and during this time the community is encouraged to provide feedback.
    • All submissions received during the exhibition period will be considered and reviewed by NPWS during preparation of the final plan and changes may be made to the plan where deemed appropriate. NPWS will provide its Southern Ranges Regional Advisory Committee with an overview of feedback from the community. The final plan will be posted on the OEH website when completed, together with a summary of the submissions received. Subject to approval of a final plan by the Chief Executive, Office of Environment and Heritage, actions in the plan will be implemented as part of an integrated regional pest management strategy across Kosciuszko National Park.
    • The Draft Wild Horse Management Plan and associated documents can be viewed and downloaded online as well as details on how to provide feedback can be found at: http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/protectsnowies/
    • Display hard copies of the draft plan and associated documents are available for viewing at the NPWS Office and Information centres at Tumut, Khancoban, Jindabyne, Queanbeyan, Bombala and the OEH Head Office, Goulburn St, Sydney.
    • Further information including a common Question and Answers section (see electronic copy of flyer attached) and videos and images gallery can be found at https://engage.environment.nsw.gov.au/wild-horse-management-plan and https://www.flickr.com/photos/nswnationalparks/collections/72157640487910404/ .
    • Any general enquiries in regard to the wild horse management planning process should be forwarded to the KNP wild horse plan mailbox at: kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au
    • Any media enquiries in regard to the draft wild horse management plan should be made to the OEH Public Affairs Team on Ph. 02 9995 5347
    As always, if you have any questions or concerns or would like to discuss any matter relating to the KNP Wild Horse Management Plan Review or wild horse management program, please contact Rob Gibbs, Senior Project Officer, Kosciuszko National Park -Wild Horse Management Plan Review Project at rob.gibbs@environment.nsw.gov.au

    Thank you for your continued interest and involvement.
    Mick Pettitt,
    Regional Manager
    NSW NPWS - Southern Ranges Region
     
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    saw 5 mobs between Kiandra and long plain today, easy pickings for the cull
     
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    I was talking to a Ranger who organised the last feral Cull in the areas of the park to the South of the Main Range. 240 Deer, 15 pigs and 10 goats were shot. 270 brumbies were observed during the cull.
     
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    Feral splitboarders? ;):evil:
     
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    They gave up counting. I think we should bait them. Its cheap and no-one cares if you're cruel to them.
     
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    We could sell hunting licences.;)
     
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    I believe cans of Jim Beam are effective bait.....
     
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    As a new age hipster splitboarder I now prefer Gluhwein, but when I was on snowshoes I drank diesel flavoured with rusty nails.
     
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    A stubby of XXXX chucked down the crags should cause a lemmingesque stampede
     
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    http://wild.com.au/news/scientists-call-effective-feral-horse-control/

    sadly in the #postfactworld this has little impact...what do we call the feral horse deniers?
     
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    We call them sigrid

    After sigrid Thornton and her exceptional acting in the man from snowy river, a role so well performed, the logic of ecology is rendered useless against the powerful cultural construct of what an Australian is meant to be

    Aussie Aussie Aussie
     
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    Facts aren't the issue with the horse lovers, much like facts aren't the issue with a lot of people who want the horses removed. The individuals value based view of what the park should be is the issue. For the horsie people the horses are an integral part of the landscape, not an exotic to be destroyed. For a lot of people who want the horses removed the park should be a pre-european utopia, and generally their arguments aren't fact based either.
    I think the economic importance of protecting the Snowy Hydro Catchment area from erosion will get the draft plan over the line. The number of horses allowed to remain in the park may well be raised as a result of public consultation, but I think they will end up being culled anywhere that they will impact on a dam's catchment, their impact if they remain unmanaged will become to onerous and the expense to repair the landscape is large.
     
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    Mustang rehoming isn't all peaches and roses as "horseman from Nowra" suggests.
     
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    Supply exceeds capacity by a factor of 20 last time I looked.
     
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    Bergmeister stirred up the hornets nest and made me wonder. Why do the horsie people long for when the stock men managed the feral horses? The stock men didn't bother running Brumbies, they just shot them. Why was it ok for stockmen to shoot Brumbies, but professional showers can't today?
     
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    See that comment on that twitter feed. "Beautiful, but doesn't belong in the park." Well if thats the case neither is a ski resort or people!
     
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    So your logic is "if ski resorts are allowed, then feral horses must also be allowed? What about motorbikes? Do feral horses mean motorbikes should also be allowed? Or should they be allowed because ski resorts are allowed? What about feral goats? Or pigs? I'm not seeing any stronger link between feral horses and ski resorts than I am with any of those other possibilities.

    Sorry, but your logic is a little lacking.
     
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    That's just crazy. So many brumbies they move ever higher and expand their range. Meanwhile at the north end of the park it's all heritage and history rewrites.
     
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    Ms pickering is a moron. If you want a horse get a farm.

    "The once pristine snow plains, fens, marshes, sphagnum bogs, forests, and the plant and native animal communities they support, are now suffering from severe, and perhaps irretrievable, horse damage."
     
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    And..they have back flipped.
    Ground shooting now out.
     
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    May as well kiss the environments of the KNP goodbye and get used to terra forming by horse.

    Why are people sooo daft?
     
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    Self interest... constitient pressure.
     
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    I have 4 horses and I say get rid of all the ferals. Stop calling them brumbies as they are not. They are inbred and full of worms. You could not give one to me. Nobody cares when a pig or fox is shot but when it is a horse every bleeding heart will try to stop it. Just get it done and deal with the backlash later, which will last all of 15 minutes. KNP is littered with these buggers and they spread right through the Cobberas and into Ensay. See what problems we have because deer have not been successfully controlled. Shoot those buggers too.
     
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    Should be the rant thread but rrrrr. Driving north of Kiandra this avo and some old Sheila thinks it's ok to slow to crawl without getting off the road ..... too aawww at the feral things. Hopefully the 'death traps' do their thing. Shot in a abs same same less fertilizer on Long plain
     
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    Saw might first dead deer on the Hume Highway just before the Ovens Valley Highway turnoff....coming up from Melb....

    Unless it fell off the top of a deer shooters 4x4....it was hit by a vehicle travelling up the Hume....ruling out that it was not shot from the Highway which would be most unlikely.

    Not something you want to strike at 110km/hr.
     
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