Brumbies KNP Management Plan Review

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  1. skinavy

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    Yeah saw that. Was going to comment regarding the discounting of what emergency services and teachers put up with. FWIW I actually think emergency services personnel have a really tough time seeing things continously that most military may only see a few times in their career. But yeah another random tangent, if did nothing about wild horses then have more for veteran support... I'm all for more for veterans, but I can think of other places to find a lot more money.
     
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    An aerial cull would leave more money for other things.
     
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    Wild horses have been captured and re- homed for years in Oz. but just like re-homing greyhounds it is a drop in the ocean.

    If re- homing was going to make a difference it would have by now.

    It's all :deadhorse: by anti cullers.
     
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    Given something like 40k horses are put down every year in Australia, nothing short of using lethal means of control will work. Up around Townsville their calling for a cull due to a number of fatal MVAs involving wild horses, generally cars and bikes hitting horse carcasses that were killed by roadtrains.
     
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    Yes, not much there down in the bottom of the Hollow. Walked up the Hollow and then climbed direct route to Mac Springs a couple of years ago. Could see the old track, but so infested with weeds that it was easier to walk up the river for the most part. Lots of deer.
     
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    Just had a good discussion with Newcastle Greens member J Mackenzie . Damn I wish I would have asked him about his thoughts on the Cull :doh:. Mostly talked about renewable energy and CSG but that's a different fight.
     
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    I love the crazy Berridale cat witch, every post is a winner, brings a smile every time I read her drivel and Amaree's too.
     
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    Holy smokes, i've been avoiding reading this thread for awhile. But now i've gone through it all and all the reference material, l still don't understand why there are so many people so attached to an introduced species that damages delicate ecosystems.

    and yes this is coming from an animal rescuing city dwelling vegan hipster...though.... sans beard.

    like it or not humanity has ****ed with our ecosystems and must now be active custodian managers not observers. Good management is about making the right decision, not the easiest or most popular.

    if only we were vulcan...it would all be logical and done by now.
     
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    Even Vulcans are fooled by the big brown eyes!

    What hope for us humanoids!
    We are doomed.
     
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    lel.........

    Had a run in with Amaree on another page when I suggested a brumbie photo would have been better shot with a Ruger rather than a Canon
     
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    omergoed...people trolling
     
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    argh ****...we're ****ed.
     
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    Saw this and assumed it was you! Navy, Army, NPWS and weapons manufacturers, quite the conspiracy
     
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    I can't believe you lot are wasting time posting on the Jindy Noticeboard ROFL I now I know who some of you are ;)
     
  16. ecowain

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    Which Jindy Noticeboard is worth taking the popcorn to? There are at least three of them.
     
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    That would be the Jindabyne Noticeboard. Not the Buy and Sell or the New Jindabyne Noticeboard.
     
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    But it's funny, like the Kalkite woman who thinks it's her personal organizer, or the simply boganite Jindabean people, or the plain useless who want to know how to do/find the most mundane things or those special wave pool people or even the fat wrappers or the horsey folk, bless Em all
     
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    Reading is one thing, getting involved in arguing with them is another!
     
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    They are bored.
    No dogs missing
     
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    That could be fixed.
     
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    They seem to go missing in pairs
    just off for a wander
     
  24. Gimp

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    Only out Lakewood way
     
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    Couldn't help myself this morning, I'm itching
     
  26. dawooduck

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    Will we see alternate plans published for comment ?
     
  27. Gimp

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    I have a different approach on the farm, shoot first and then ring the ph no. on the collar. RIP Tess last week because of irresponsible owner.
     
  28. dawooduck

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    Brutal reality. I made noises about a "standard fence" being a dog proof fence when negotiating on the block, fell on deaf ears. My biggest fear, losing a dog due to my neglect.
     
  29. teletripper

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    For those interested, further advice from NPWS on this matter. From the horses mouth so to speak. Note Q and A's in this link:
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/r...es/wild-horse-draft-plan-questions-160300.pdf

    Dear Sir/Madam,


    You are receiving this email as you have previously had interest or involvement in the community and stakeholder engagement process for the Kosciuszko National Park wild horse management plan review.

    In response to a number of submissions and representations from both stakeholder groups and members of the community, the exhibition and submissions period on the Kosciuszko National Park Draft Wild Horse Management Plan has been extended a further 6 weeks, with submissions being accepted until 5.00pm Friday 19th August, 2016.

    NPWS will also host a series of community ‘open house’, information and feedback sessions in relation to the draft plan in Tumut, Jindabyne and Queanbeyan and with the extension of the exhibition period, these will now be held in July/August the dates yet to be confirmed. NPWS will also be contacting key stakeholder groups to arrange a series of briefing and feedback sessions in relation to the Draft Plan during the exhibition period. Further details of these will be notified in the near future.

    Community, stakeholder and media interest in the draft plan has as expected been high. Unfortunately however there is a great deal of misinformation in regard to the draft plan that has been presented in both media reports and social media. It has been wrongly represented that the draft plan proposes to use aerial shooting or recreational hunters/shooters for ground shooting as control methods for example. In an effort to better inform stakeholders and the community in regard to the draft plan a common Question and Answers section has been added to the ‘Protecting the Snowies’ engagement website.

    NPWS understands that this is a very complex issue, with deeply felt emotions from some members of the community.

    This complexity is reflected in the draft plan and the detail and length of all of the supporting reports, documents and information. To gain a greater understanding of the issue and its complexity the NPWS recommends that people read all of these documents to gain an informed opinion on the issues involved. It is simply not possible to gain this understanding from a short media article or social media comment.

    The extended draft plan exhibition period of now 16 weeks is to allow the public further time to digest all of the information in and associated with the draft management plan.

    The community is strongly encouraged to continue to shape the development of this plan and have their say. (at: kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au )

    The Draft Wild Horse Management Plan and associated documents can be viewed and downloaded online as well as details on how to provide feedback can be found at:

    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/protectsnowies/

    Display hard copies of the draft plan and associated documents are available for viewing at the NPWS Office and Information centres at Tumut, Khancoban, Jindabyne, Queanbeyan, Bombala and the OEH Head Office, Goulburn St, Sydney.

    Any general enquiries in regard to the planning process should be forwarded to the KNP wild horse plan mailbox at: Kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au

    Any media enquiries in regard to the draft wild horse management plan should be made to the OEH Public Affairs Team on Ph. 02 9995 5347

    Regards

    Mick Pettitt

    Regional Manager
    Southern Ranges Region
    NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service
     
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  30. skinavy

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    While not about horses exactly, crazy cat lady is now posting about chemtrails in Jindy FB group, apparently I'm one of the "usual shills" for posting pictures of the chemtrail "control" panels. I thought she would appreciate that I was posting proof of one of the deepest held NWO, Military Industrial Complex secrets, apparently not :(:evil:
     
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    Now she's getting really upset and called us all cowards, shills, payed shills (I probably get singled out for that one after she stalked my LinkedIn page) and have no ethics. I could stir the possum a bit further.... anyone got some good photos of aircraft with chemtrails equipment (I've got one of the interior of an A380 full of water tanks from when they were doing handling qualities testing with varying centre of gravity configurations)
     
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  32. teletripper

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    Update FYI + frequently asked Q & A's. Check the photos and vids!
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/protectsnowies/knp-wild-horse-plan-flyer.pdf

    NSW NPWS update to the community and stakeholders on the Kosciuszko National Park (KNP) Wild Horse Management Plan Review process. - 11th July, 2016.


    Dear Sir/Madam,

    You are receiving this email as you have previously had interest or involvement in the community and stakeholder engagement process for the Kosciuszko National Park wild horse management plan review. Thank you for your ongoing interest in the development of the Draft KNP Wild Horse Management Plan.


    ·The Draft Plan is on public exhibition from 1st May until 19th August, 2016, and during this time the community is encouraged to provide feedback.

    ·The Draft Wild Horse Management Plan and associated documents can be viewed and downloaded online as well as details on how to provide feedback can be found at:http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/protectsnowies/

    ·Display hard copies of the draft plan and associated documents are available for viewing at the NPWS Office and Information centres at Tumut, Khancoban, Jindabyne, Queanbeyan, Bombala and the OEH Head Office, Goulburn St, Sydney.

    ·Further information including a common Question and Answers section (see electronic copy of flyer attached) and videos and images galleryhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/nswnationalparks/collections/72157640487910404/ have recently been added to the websites.

    ·NPWS are hosting a series of community Open House information sessions in relation to the draft plan in Tumut, Jindabyne and Queanbeyan in late July during the exhibition period. Further details of these are in the attached invitation flyer.

    ·NPWS are also holding a series of briefing sessions and meeting with key stakeholder groups during the draft plan exhibition period.

    ·During the plan review and draft exhibition process NPWS will continue to implement the adopted 2008 KNP Wild Horse Management Plan. The winter trapping and removal program in northern KNP has commenced. If stakeholder groups or individuals are interested in rehoming or domestication opportunities for removed horses and have not previously registered their interest with NPWS, please email your contact details including return email, phone and address to the project officer Rob Gibbs at rob.gibbs@environment.nsw.gov.au to receive a rehoming information package and registration of interest form.

    ·Any general enquiries in regard to the wild horse management planning process should be forwarded to the KNP wild horse plan mailbox at: Kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au

    ·Any media enquiries in regard to the draft wild horse management plan should be made to the OEH Public Affairs Team on Ph. 02 9995 5347

    [​IMG] As always, if you have any questions or concerns or would like to discuss any matter relating to the KNP Wild Horse Management Plan Review or wild horse management program, please contact Rob Gibbs, Senior Project Officer, Kosciuszko National Park -Wild Horse Management Plan Review Project at rob.gibbs@environment.nsw.gov.au


    Thank you for your continued interest and involvement.


    Mick Pettitt,

    Regional Manager

    NSW NPWS - Southern Ranges Region



    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    This email is intended for the addressee(s) named and may contain confidential and/or privileged information.
    If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and then delete it immediately.
    Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of the NSW Office of Environment and Heritage.

    PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL

    [​IMG]
     
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    Removing the brumbies is madness. It will destroy the delicate balance of the ecosystem. Once the horses are gone the alpine camel population will explode. What then?
     
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    The ABC's Lateline mainly presented one side of the argument. There were some quotes that the horses have been here for 180 - 200 years. European settlement of the Currango area commenced in 1834 when the first cattle were taken to the area. Currango, itself, started in 1851, when Thomas O’Rourke built a small vertical slab home and other structures. I believe horses would have been valuable then, so maybe 100 -150 years would be accurate. Lateline only touched lightly on the environmental damage, water pollution, dust bowls, piles of manure, trampling springs.
     
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    Executing people is part of our heritage, we should bring it back for heritage reasons.

    That is as sensible as keeping horses in alpine environments for heritage reasons.
     
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    not to mention using convicts to do the work
     
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    I don't understand the point of removing 90% and not the whole lot? If they're a pest (which they are) and they're causing significant damage (which they are), then just remove them so that we can start repairing the environment. Leaving 10% just means that we're having this conversation again in another 10 years.
     
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    Human factors are real.
     
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    Emotion triumphs over sensibility again.
     
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    Depends who's sensibility you want to account for.
    People have different views on heritage and animals and stuff. It's simply an attempt to strike a pragmatic balance.
     
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    I get that. But a lot of political capital is being used up, and a lot of money will be spent, for what will be zero gain 10 years from now. What's the point? Let's do it properly and start getting the parks back to where they should be.
     
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    I think the proposal seeks to maintain it at ten percent. Would hgave to check though.
     
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    The last 10% might cost a hell of a lot more to eradicate?
     
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    Prolly that too. usually does. It's certianly described as a heritage / human factors decision though.
     
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    It's described as 600 horses to be maintained in recognition of heritage values. I'm guessing the 600 is considered a genetically viable population.
     
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    Maybe I'm a cynic but I'd call the heritage type arguments as likely window dressing for "it's too expensive to get every last one of them".
     
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    Either way, life's a compromise particularly in such an emotive and political environment and the end result is way way better than the current situation.
     
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    Maybe they could just keep the black ones? They look more natural!
     
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