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Vic north south pipeline won't have enough water.
#753110 - 13/08/09 02:27 pm
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I'm sure Brumby would love to 'borrow' it. Just be wary, that when he returns it, it will be full of Spring St sh1te.
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#753118 - 13/08/09 02:33 pm
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That is pretty stunning news.
I find at hard to fathom that all of what would have been obviously required changes to legislation to ensure the legal framework existed for the legal acess of the water bv gvot.
But the Govt in fact has done its legal compliance after the project is already half completed.
Only to find out it's not legal.
FAIL with flying colors.
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#753130 - 13/08/09 02:45 pm
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They did no compliance until after they'd started it. No environmental compliance, no financial compliance, no audit of plans, no confirmation of water savings. The whole project would be a comedy if it didn't belong to a government and people weren't adversely affected.
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#753159 - 13/08/09 03:08 pm
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On the macro/global scale greenies cause more harm than good. Sure they can block the development of one dam or two but we still have to get our water from somewhere. If the answer is DEsal then the greenies have really lost. Instead of a dam we have a carbon spewing desal plant> leads to global warming/ less rainfall > the need for another desal plant.
To be green, greenies should be less green.
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#753206 - 13/08/09 03:47 pm
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And we should all consume less, modify agricultural practices, our diet etc...... But no, let's go on blaming the greenies for all our woes.
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#753217 - 13/08/09 03:54 pm
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#753229 - 13/08/09 04:08 pm
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Im in on that, seems pretty easy.
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#753243 - 13/08/09 04:27 pm
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Just pipe it from Tasmania.
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#753348 - 13/08/09 05:43 pm
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Bogong .. trying to get my head around your Tanjil diversion...
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Edited by VSG (13/08/09 06:08 pm)
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#753354 - 13/08/09 05:49 pm
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Damming the Mitchell would assist with killing the Gippsland Lakes. Since the Thompson Dam was built, blue-green algae happens most years now and often covers almost the complete lake system in the warmer spring summer and autumn. Last year the blue-green algae was at its worst, still affecting the lake system into winter until last years floods flushed out this horror. The lakes need a large inflow to keep them in a healthy state and the Nats are arguing for this to continue. The Mitchell system is the only large catchment left without a dam. It does have a large off-river storage for Bairnsdale and the surrounding towns, but this still hasn't drought proofed them.
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#753439 - 13/08/09 07:04 pm
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Legend's claim that the Thomson Dam has hurt the Gippsland Lakes may have strong emotional appeal,
but it just doesn't stand up to rational and dispassionate analysis. In short, it's just false and untrue.
The Thomson Dam impounds the headwaters of two small, minor rivers, The Thomson and the Jordan.
Further downstream the Thomson is joined by other rivers and major creeks, including the Aberfeldy River
a couple of km downstream from the dam wall and it becomes a major river, but up in it's headwaters, it
has a much more modest flow. The Thomson Dam also releases a lot of water into the river below the
dam wall for environmental flows.
In short only a couple of percent of the water in the Gippsland Lakes catchment is diverted. So at best Legend is spouting
an untrue old wives tale, at worst he's spreading fibs. I favor the former because I don't really think he's a malicious person. 
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So if this is the case, why did they build the dam there? Well it was built as a drought reserve for Melbourne
rather than to be a regular part of the supply. The location in a deep gorge was ideal to build a
161 metre deep lake, which could retain part of the modest inflow allowing it to be stored as a once in a decade
drought storage. In ordinary years Melbourne's water would be supplied by other catchments.
This was a perfect strategy to drought-proof Melbourne for a population of 3 million. The problem is that
Melbourne now has a population of 4 million with no additional catchments added in the time since the
Thomson was built. Thus it's no longer being used as a drought reserve but instead it's being used as an
ordinary water supply catchment.
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#753539 - 13/08/09 09:15 pm
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So... a desal plant costs a lot and contributes to global warming. The north south pipeline has essentially no water to give. Another dam will cost the environment... so what else?
There is the possiblilty of water tanks. Give everyone their own water supply to use and manage as they wish to. Yes you can drink the stuff, I have lived with tank water since birth and I haven't contracted any bacterial diseases due to the water supply. Or use roofs of houses to catch water and put into a large storage, like Warrnambool is doing (so I've heard).
And we could use our existing dams/supplies as backup. The authorities can jack up the price if they like, it's more incentive to better use what we have.
(Yes it's a fairly far fetched solution but it is possible!)
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#753598 - 13/08/09 10:07 pm
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So... a desal plant costs a lot and contributes to global warming. The north south pipeline has essentially no water to give. Another dam will cost the environment... so what else?
Recycling
(There are many possible variations on that theme.)
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#753601 - 13/08/09 10:10 pm
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and population control reducing demand. I propose sterilisation of the lowest common denominator to start...
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#753742 - 14/08/09 08:39 am
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I don't think population control is the issue. Australians are not replacing themselves, with a birth rate of less than 2 per couple. What's increasing our population at such a dramatic rate is immigration.
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#754249 - 14/08/09 05:24 pm
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Whatever water there is saved from upgrades should stay in the system.
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#754402 - 14/08/09 08:36 pm
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Bogong, do you want to have a stab at where the upper Tanjil diversion was to be located? That went into the
Yarra Valley? See my maps above.
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#754559 - 15/08/09 12:29 am
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VSG, the plan may have been to divert both heads of the Tanjil into the upper Thomson as shown on your map.
If this is so it would have been a 1970's or 80's plan because my memory was that the water would end up in the upper Yarra,
either directly or via the tunnel under the Baw Baw plateau that diverts water from the Thomson Dam into the Yarra headwaters.
Sorry for any confusion, I knew I had the map on file somewhere but my memory of the precise details was a bit vague.
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#754563 - 15/08/09 12:51 am
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Yup, both sides of politics have failed Victoria. The last visionary we had was Bolte - planned Melbourne's freeway system, airport, universities, dams (including the Thomson). Since him (over 35 years ago), other than implementing his vision, no state govt has done a thing. Yup, he was an ugly bastard, but we need another Bolte desperately. Don't care what side of politics he's on, but we need another one.
Hang on... the Freeway (and major road ) system was planned by CRB before that... what we have left is the remains of that original plan cobbled together with other bits added... I had the map of the original which was scrapped before 1976 when I was given the map... so way over 35 years ago our road system was planned to have a ring freeway system with major ring road between... (Mulgrave freeway as constructed originally was to connect Dandenong manufacturing with the port)...
I forget the other details... but those were 2 I remembered as I did a geography project on the whole idea... the land was sold off in the 70's when building freeways became politically 'incorrect' that was how we got all the deadends we needed to connect in some manner...
Dig out an old (like original) melways and I think there may be some remnants of the freeway system marked as I remember Dad was given the first edition for helping them with routes of future construction...
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#754595 - 15/08/09 08:37 am
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Bolte was premier from 1953 to 1972. The freeway system was planned in the 60s. Freeways fell out of favour in the 70s and because the land was sold off, some of his original plans had to be modified, other parts still haven't been constructed (and probably won't be).
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