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How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
#270721 - 23/09/07 10:02 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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WickedPowder
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You’re welcome to have a go anytime if I have done the wrong thing.
The question was simply about ski travel and how many people have made their ski travel Carbon Neutral. A topic particularly pertinent to the ski industry seeing it has so much to lose from global warming.
Unfortunately I have few answers to my question.
I still think this should go in travel, as the question relates to travel. I’ll leave out any names or commercial URL's in future, but please let me know if I’m wrong
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#270731 - 23/09/07 10:14 pm
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Unfortunately I have few answers to my question.
You could always have a "poll" in your post ? (although I don't think you can do it in travel)
From FAQ section:
How do I put a poll in my post?
Putting a poll in your post is simple.
If polls are enabled, start by creating a new post in a forum. Below the body of your post, you will see a text box that allows you to specify how many polls you want to have in your post and the system will guide you through the rest.
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#270732 - 23/09/07 10:15 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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Don't let the people with green writing scare you off, you seem to have a good snow knowledge so your not just here to SPAM! 
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#270735 - 23/09/07 10:15 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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Ok,....
Went to the website, did the calculations & for my upcoming trip it will set me back just under $2000.00 to "neutralise" ....
So where EXACTLY would my money go?
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#270738 - 23/09/07 10:17 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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skidown
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main street: I plan to fart less on the way across, thus reducing the impact of my [auto-censor] to the surrounding passengers and the air at 38,000 feet
Surely that is worth a few hundred $
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#270742 - 23/09/07 10:20 pm
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skidown
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But yes would like to know where/how $2000 actually goes to reducing the impact of everything
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#270767 - 23/09/07 10:34 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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WickedPowder
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Main Street,
If that is the calculator on our site; for your holiday you are creating over 121 tonnes of CO2-e, as a trip to Melbourne is .23 tonne, are you travelling to the moon?, or does this include your family. Flight offsets generally work out between 8 and 10% of the flight cost, so not cheep. Even my January trip in the US included several flights and over 5000kms of driving was in total 38 tonnes, luckily I only pay $10.00 for my carbon credits.
Where are you going, I will do an estimate and let you know the tonnes.
If it was the site listed earlier then it is spent on energy efficiency through the NSW Greenhouse abatement scheme, mainly the replacement of halogen down lights in pubs and hotels, with fluoro equivalents.
The aim would be to reduce a little over 91MWh's of power useage in victoria or 119 in NSW, to achieve the abatement required to offset your trip.
Edited by WickedPowder (23/09/07 10:40 pm)
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#270772 - 23/09/07 10:36 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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WickedPowder
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Thanks Born2Ski,
I will look up that technique and if available will use it in future.
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#270824 - 23/09/07 11:50 pm
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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WickedPowder:
Sorry you don't seem to be getting the answers you wanted. I don't see a problem with the question you asked and the way I see it there is no problem with mentioning you work for a company involved in carbon offsets. It didn't seem like self promotion to me, it came across as being up front in the spirit of good bloke-ishness (I like making up words).
To answer your question, I'm not travelling overseas this year  but I am planning a trip to the US at the end of next year. I'd be happy to part with some extra cash to offset the flights but like many others I would be apprehensive about handing over my hard earned to any old company and being a uni student I'd struggle with paying 8-10% of the cost of the flight. So my answer is yes, I'd like to offset the emissions my flights will cause but only with a company that I'm sure I can trust and only to a maximum of around $100. If not for being poor, I'd offset the whole shooting match.
Hope that helps and good luck!  
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#270867 - 24/09/07 07:31 am
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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Main Street,
If that is the calculator on our site; for your holiday you are creating over 121 tonnes of CO2-e, as a trip to Melbourne is .23 tonne, are you travelling to the moon?, or does this include your family. Flight offsets generally work out between 8 and 10% of the flight cost, so not cheep. Even my January trip in the US included several flights and over 5000kms of driving was in total 38 tonnes, luckily I only pay $10.00 for my carbon credits.
Where are you going, I will do an estimate and let you know the tonnes.
If it was the site listed earlier then it is spent on energy efficiency through the NSW Greenhouse abatement scheme, mainly the replacement of halogen down lights in pubs and hotels, with fluoro equivalents.
The aim would be to reduce a little over 91MWh's of power useage in victoria or 119 in NSW, to achieve the abatement required to offset your trip.
9 of us.
Newcastle, Sydney, San Fran, Vancouver, Kelowna & return.
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#270871 - 24/09/07 07:53 am
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WP would you please be able to explain what forms of technology your company are planning to use to "offset" carbon?
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#270878 - 24/09/07 08:07 am
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WickedPowder
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Nice Trip let me guess ... your going to Big White.
9 People - 13.5 tonnes of CO2-e each seems about right for the trip you’re taking. Are they all your family?
Unfortunately $2000.00 is a lot of money but probably small in comparison to your overall trip.
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#270881 - 24/09/07 08:18 am
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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Catsnow,
Nice question, I am not sure off all abatement opportunities. Because of my work in travel I can tell you about the Bio-diesel abatement project where by we take the money from Carbon Credits and pay for the changes required to allow large transport companies to switch to a bio-diesel blend. Their are many others but I can not disclose until the project is through.
I think the carbon credits for personal offsets are created through the energy efficiency, a program replacing Halogen down lights with CFL & CCFL equivalents, which are far more efficient. We also have a project to replace electric hotwater systems in commercial premises with more efficent GAS versions, for which we get carbon credits, so they could also come from this project.
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#270908 - 24/09/07 09:16 am
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Whoa there. Where is the carbon saving in bio diesel? It saves on use of fossil fuel reserves, but it still dumps CO2 into the atmosphere. And why turn people to gas hot water instead of straight to solar which produces no carbon at all? Next thing you'll be trying to tell me I can 'save water' by using a low-flush toilet.
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#270912 - 24/09/07 09:19 am
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....I can tell you about the Bio-diesel abatement project where by we take the money from Carbon Credits and pay for the changes required to allow large transport companies to switch to a bio-diesel blend.
And how far are the environmental impacts of doing that looked into? Is it only about carbon, or do you look at the long term cost to the earth of monoculture in huge cropping areas? The creation of biodiesel itself involves CO2 production. Transport of plant material to refineries, etc. Is that counted?
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#270975 - 24/09/07 10:18 am
Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral
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Topic of discussion is fine.
The objection was to the gratuitous promotion in the 2nd reply - learn by that WickedPowder
I have deleted that. Keep the discussion on the discussion and its fine. If it turns into a "promote my company" thread then it is gone.
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#270989 - 24/09/07 10:33 am
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Thanks Ian D
Obviously I have a little to learn about forum etiquette.
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#271020 - 24/09/07 10:58 am
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HiLo, Sly_Karma.
For any abatement project we are required to determine the emissions generated from the new technology and account only for the difference between the new tech and what would have been business as usual.
In the case of Bio-diesel, we must asses the whole life cycle from cradle to grave, determine the true abatement and then the difference to standard behavior. Everything is taken into account, all transport, and even the emissions generated by the organisation supplying the Bio-Diesel from purchases like stationary. There are many types of Bio-diesel ingredients, some of the common ones are tallow (animal fat), waste vegetable oil, and palm oil.
The burning of bio-diesel is essentially carbon neutral as it grew in the first place therefore sequestering the carbon. Tallow is a little different because of the significant methane produced from cattle farming. Using 100% Tallow achieves a much smaller abatement that that of say waste cooking oil.
As far as solar hot water, we also install those but you can not have a commercial premise with solar only. Generally the volume use of a commercial premise would require the system to be gas boosted, in the case of fitness first some sites have solar hot water, and from my understanding too much water is passing through the system to allow ay significant heating by the sun.
This is a great question but unfortunately I will have to visit this with more detail latter as it looks like I am getting in trouble for spending too much time on the internet, I’ll have to argue I’m undertaking research.
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#271024 - 24/09/07 11:00 am
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I cannot see any problem with wanting to minimise any types of emissions....it is how it is done and the money spin offs that are concerning. I just laugh so much when I see and hear this type of stuff mentioned though....sure there could be management afoot to create reliance where the so-called cutting of emissions is mostly about profit....not morality, but fundamentally if anything is or needs to be done, this carbon trade off is just permission for a lot of bad energy habits to go on.
As far as carbon neutral ski holiday......how would you possibly do that? How could you trade carbon for the manufacture of skis, the turning of the chairlift, the manufacture of the aircraft tyres....all part of expenditure covering costs etc, yet almost impossible to equate to individual emissions terms. Those figures of tonnes of emissions....how are they calculated? How many carbon trades are required to balance the asking of this question on a forum....considering manufacter of computer, delivery of same, use of same, manufacture of chair user is sitting on...and much more. Personally my feeling is, if that humanity was truelly aware of human induced climate change and its ramifications, than a hell of a lot more would be being done about it....considering the dire consequences pending. I think the trade schemes miss the point largely and in cases are political type point scoring for companies keen on more patronage etc. And....it appears to be being shaped into a depend on us or else type scenario, which with me is lacking integrity........not to say pollution does not affect climate entirely.
With so much pollution erradicated from industry in the past few decades and more....indurstry of the late 19th and early 20th centuries was quite dirty....is this so-called 'change' a resxult of those accumulations plus the addition of millions of more motor vehicles recently say in China and India where rickshaws are all but gone.
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#271036 - 24/09/07 11:15 am
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....it looks like I am getting in trouble for spending too much time on the internet, I’ll have to argue I’m undertaking research.
Welcome to the forums! 
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#271046 - 24/09/07 11:20 am
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Surely this belongs in CV now. At a guess I'd say that CV regulars travel as well.
It will open it up to a new audience as well. The travel regulars who want to have their say, surely have by now.
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#271341 - 24/09/07 05:25 pm
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Nearly every single product we use has a carbon life cycle. There are many methods of calculating the CO2 'embedded' in products you may purchase. I generally prefer to use a method that starts by taking a countries total CO2 output and dividing it by GDP, this gives us a CO2 per $ value for products made in various other countries. We then can fine tune the data by looking at individual industry sectors, and then if you want to get very accurate by assessing the turn over and total CO2 output from businesses themselves.
Most important to know is that Uzbekistan produces a little over 11kg’s CO2 per US dollar, where as Australia is approximately .58 (I don’t know exactly as we only have the data in industry sectors)
Thus using this method if your skis cost 1000USD and were manufacture in Uzbekistan we would simply estimate that they have produced over 11 tonnes of CO2, where by in Aus the skis would have produced 580Kg’s.
If it was not profitable to undertake carbon emission reduction then it would take a bloody long time to have any change occur. I personally agree and would love to see people undertake to reduce their emissions as a matter of principal but without feeding the greed no action will occur.
Pollution, as far as particulates have decreased since early last century, but CO2 emissions are increasing, this is primarily due to population and our reliance on electricity.
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