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How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral

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#270249 - 23/09/07 08:27 am Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: sly_karma]
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Generally spammers dont' continue to post on here though \:\)

So where have u skied Wicked Powder ?

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#270261 - 23/09/07 08:56 am Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Born2ski]
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 Originally Posted By: Born2ski
No, I'm NOT paying somebody to offset my Co2.

I planted 12 trees this weekend, I have a water tank, energy efficient light bulbs and my quarterly electricity account is under $100. (for 3 people)

So I'd say I'm already offsetting my Co2 by reducing it at home. \:\)


Pretty much my view too. This carbon trading stuff seems just another way of creaming off consumer dollars in a "feel good" but relatively useless new marginal industry. It seems to do little to educate people about what's really going on and what they're really doing about it. It's a tool for manipulative politicians to spend more of my taxes on.

I could be wrong, but until I know more I'll stick to a grass roots approach.
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#270294 - 23/09/07 10:52 am Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: skidown]
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AndDee,

Thankyou for the question.
Skiing is my life and that is the main reason I am interested / concerned about climate change.
I list them below, I sure I am missing some but you'll get the picture, i do a lot of skiing. Generally I ski every weekend of the Aus season, get a side trip into NZ and go for a month in January to US, Japan or Canada.

My fiancée and I almost never book accommodation, we just hire a car and attempt to chase power turns (Without much luck).

I havn't listed Australia as I have skied all resorts except Buffalo, Baw Baw and Lake mountain. I have skied both Ben Lomond and Mawson(Albeit not open at the time).

Japan:
Niseko - and associated resorts.
Weis - Cat Skiing - Recommend this one as it costs at little over $50AUD per day
Le Pont (? spelling) - Primarily for Backcountry access.

US:
Jacksons Hole
Alta/Snowbird
Brighton/Solitude
Canyons
Park City
Mamoth
Sqaw Valley

Canada:
Kicking Horse
Mt Baldy
Red Mountain
Fernie
Sunshine, Lake Louise
WhiteWater
Castle
Whistler / Blackcomb
Sun Peaks
Kimberly
Silver Star
(Some small resort i don’t know the name basically in Vancouver)
Panorama
Powder Springs
(Lots of Backcountry in the Glacier national park and around Rogers pass)

New Zealand
Craigieburn
Broken River
Cheeseman
Treble COne
Cardrona
Two other club resorts that I can not remember the names of.

As I believe in climate change I do feel guilty out of how much fun I have had at the expense of our planet.

Enjoy skiing forever
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#270297 - 23/09/07 11:01 am Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: HiLo]
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HiLo,

I would love to explain in detail but will refrain for risk of being accused of SPAM.

My only comment is that making your own reductions is far better than paying someone else, but it will generally cost a lot more.

Born2ski,
12 large trees will absorb aprroximatly 2 tonnes of CO2 in their lifetime so long as they are never cut down. Well done on your power consumption.
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#270315 - 23/09/07 11:34 am Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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WickedPowder: No problems \:\) Nice to see new people on here who actually have been overseas and have some knowledge.

Please ignore the people just barking SPAM SPAM SPAM!!!!

\:\)

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#270355 - 23/09/07 12:36 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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 Originally Posted By: WickedPowder
HiLo,

I would love to explain in detail but will refrain for risk of being accused of SPAM.

My only comment is that making your own reductions is far better than paying someone else, but it will generally cost a lot more.




Doesn't seem to cost me anything.

I think it's time this stuff WAS explained, somewhere other than in the finance pages of the newspapers. If there's a sound and straightforward scientific and logical basis to it, let the world know. As far as I know there's [b]nothing]/b] being taught about it at school.
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#270383 - 23/09/07 01:10 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: HiLo]
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HiLO, thanks for you interest.

For those who aren’t interested please move to the next post.

Here goes my best explanation;

All Carbon emissions are calculated as CO2 equivalents (CO2-e), thus methane, nitro’s oxide and various other greenhouse gasses are rated equivalent to a CO2 molecule. A methane molecule has 21 times the greenhouse effect as does a CO2 molecule so methane has a CO2-e rating of 21, thus approximately 47 kgs of methane is equivalent to a tonne of CO2.

A Carbon Credit (Carbon Offset) equals 1 tonne of CO2-e. Thus buying a carbon credit signifies that a reduction of CO2-e has occurred (be careful there are false credits available). To create a carbon credit we must reduce emissions in a way that was not business as usual and argue that the revenue from the credits were required to make the reduction happen.

Reducing power consumption in Australia is the most cost effective way to reduce CO2-e, and is considered the ‘low hanging fruit’ for every KWh used in Victoria produces on average 1.325 kgs of CO2-e. Thus by funding the reduction of 1 Mwh in Victoria you have saved 1.325 tonnes of CO2-e.

As most homes are reasonably efficient it is much cheaper to make large reductions in commercial areas. To make a reduction at home is a better step than offsetting, but you can only go so far before it becomes price prohibitive.

Carbon trading works, in 2001 the NSW electricity grid produced in excess of 9 tonnes of CO2-e per capita, through the NSW Greenhouse abatement scheme they have reduced it to 7.27 tonnes of CO2-e per capita. The national emissions trading scheme will have the same effect in reducing CO2-e for transport and our electricity grid nationally.

Hope this helps.
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#270393 - 23/09/07 01:23 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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WickedPowder, does this explain those stands that try to sign you up for some abatement scheme to have enegy efficient light globes etc?

I booked a Qantas flight on Friday using a voucher and had to pay more, but had no option to offset \:\( ... probably not implemented in their voucher systme yet!

Good work on the explanation of the credits.

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#270395 - 23/09/07 01:26 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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 Originally Posted By: WickedPowder
(be careful there are false credits available)


Right. So who decides which ones are real? Who manages and polices all this stuff?

(I'll be honest. This is one area where my scepticism starts to arise.)
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#270419 - 23/09/07 01:59 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: HiLo]
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 Originally Posted By: HiLo
 Originally Posted By: WickedPowder
(be careful there are false credits available)


Right. So who decides which ones are real? Who manages and polices all this stuff?

(I'll be honest. This is one area where my scepticism starts to arise.)


Good Q - "Accredited Green Provided" or whatever the slogan is, how do we knew this actually works!

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#270430 - 23/09/07 02:28 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: skidown]
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Hey wicked Power I run a snow tour company and am curently looking into the best ways to offset the emmissions or give people that travel with us the option to offset there emissions for all ski and snowboard tours we run. I think from a social, and economical point of view this makes sence. you have any suggestions in ways to run and programs in place that would come at a minimum cost to my business (or primary objective is to make money of course)? Also before anyone accuses me of spam, no i did not mention my company and yes i do pay for advertising on this site.
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#270459 - 23/09/07 03:34 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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 Originally Posted By: WickedPowder
HiLO, thanks for you interest.

For those who aren’t interested please move to the next post.

Here goes my best explanation;

All Carbon emissions are calculated as CO2 equivalents (CO2-e), thus methane, nitro’s oxide and various other greenhouse gasses are rated equivalent to a CO2 molecule. A methane molecule has 21 times the greenhouse effect as does a CO2 molecule so methane has a CO2-e rating of 21, thus approximately 47 kgs of methane is equivalent to a tonne of CO2.

A Carbon Credit (Carbon Offset) equals 1 tonne of CO2-e. Thus buying a carbon credit signifies that a reduction of CO2-e has occurred (be careful there are false credits available). To create a carbon credit we must reduce emissions in a way that was not business as usual and argue that the revenue from the credits were required to make the reduction happen.

Reducing power consumption in Australia is the most cost effective way to reduce CO2-e, and is considered the ‘low hanging fruit’ for every KWh used in Victoria produces on average 1.325 kgs of CO2-e. Thus by funding the reduction of 1 Mwh in Victoria you have saved 1.325 tonnes of CO2-e.

As most homes are reasonably efficient it is much cheaper to make large reductions in commercial areas. To make a reduction at home is a better step than offsetting, but you can only go so far before it becomes price prohibitive.

Carbon trading works, in 2001 the NSW electricity grid produced in excess of 9 tonnes of CO2-e per capita, through the NSW Greenhouse abatement scheme they have reduced it to 7.27 tonnes of CO2-e per capita. The national emissions trading scheme will have the same effect in reducing CO2-e for transport and our electricity grid nationally.

Hope this helps.


Hmmm doesn't look like you take into account where in the IR spectrum different GHG's are absorbing, which is known in the science world to be the fundamental flaw within the carbon credit scheme. I'm yet to meet a science academic who is a fan of carbon credits. It's not as simple as methane being better at absorbing IR than CO2, as methanes absorbtion band lies right on the outside of the earths IR spectrum, until we reach CO2 saturation, methane is not really as effective a greenhouse gas as CO2. Are you familiar with MODTRAN or any other GHG atmospheric temperature forcing modelling program?

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#270482 - 23/09/07 04:07 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Red_switch]
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State Forests of NSW got into the whole carbon credit thing about 10 years ago... I don't know if they are still pushing that barrow or not (I no longer work there).
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#270587 - 23/09/07 08:04 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: HiLo]
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HiLo,

There are many verification bodies, make sure they are government or a reputable Non government organisation.

In Australia we have two major bodies - both are government.

The Australian Greenhouse Office (AGO) - verifies greenhouse friendly credits.
The NSW abatement scheme - verifies NSW Greenhouse abatement certificates (NGAC)

Both these credits are flawed as they allow forward creation, thus you may be buying reductions that will not occur till a future date. The best example being the free bulbs where by the abatement is calculated by multiplying the power saved by the estimated life of the bulb * the CO2e coefficient of the electricity grid. If someone removes the bulbs or if someone bans the import of incandescent bulbs like the federal government has then the abatement may not completely occur.

Internationally there are two major types of carbon credits, those traded for Kyoto targets under the EU-Emissions trading scheme, and CDM (Clean development mechanism).

EU-ETS credits are managed by the EU and the host countries government and relate to reductions made by companies in Europe.

From a voluntary point of view CDM credits are the best as they require both the reduction but also financial benefits to the people of a developing nation.

Because of the high coefficient of electricity grid Australia has some of the cheapest abatement opportunities. For credits generated in Australia you should pay about $15.00 ex as a max price, where by CDM credits cost in excess of 15 euros.

In simple make sure the credits you are buying are from a reputable organisation and accredited by a government or in the case of a CDM a reputable NGO.

As more companies purchase voluntary credits industry scrutiny will increase helping to remove the shonky operators, unfortunately a few exist.

Hope this answers your question.
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#270622 - 23/09/07 08:50 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: skidown]
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AndDee,

Accredited greenpower is the simplest to understand, it is not a carbon credits as it relates to power usage and not a tonne of CO2.

For every megawatt of power generated from a renewable power plant gets assigned 1 Renewable energy credit. The REC helps increase the value of energy supplied to the grid by reducing the impact.

In general you need about $90.00 per megawatt hour to make wind financially viable. The REC helps achieve that value.

REC's are the safest credit as they are very strictly governed. The problem with them is they work on a flexible market that has seen them drop to $16.00 per REC at some stages and therefore your power company who’s primary business is burning fossil fuels and charges you approximately $50.00 per REC, making a significant profit.

You can find more about the various green power options.
http://www.greenelectricitywatch.org.au/
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#270624 - 23/09/07 08:54 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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RedSwitch,

I don’t have the answers but will pass your query on to our emissions assessors who should have some answer.

I focus on the effects of Carbon on markets and prices and stuff like that.


Edited by WickedPowder (23/09/07 08:57 pm)
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#270626 - 23/09/07 08:59 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Doreman]
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 Originally Posted By: Doreman
... Also before anyone accuses me of spam, no i did not mention my company and yes i do pay for advertising on this site.
\:\) Good!

See WP ... some people do the right thing and do not spam this forum. BTW WickedPowder the correct forum to have posted this in is the Noticeboards / Announcements where commercial posts are allowed ... commercial posts (such as this one, however poorly disguised) are not allowed in any other forum.
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#270631 - 23/09/07 09:02 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: WickedPowder]
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 Originally Posted By: WickedPowder
RedSwitch,

I don’t have the answers but will pass your query on to our emissions assessors who should have some answer.

I focus on the effects of Carbon on markets and prices and stuff like that.


Cheers WP, I look forward to seeing their response.

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#270633 - 23/09/07 09:04 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Bogong]
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Okay Wicked Powder. I took Sly Karma's advice and stood back for a day, because I'd be appalled if anyone thought I was being pushy or intollerant of others views.

But my question remains unanswered. Do you honestly think it's moral for you to use this forum to promote a product or service that you have a vested interest in when you have never posted here before ?

I notice that whenever this thread drops of the first page of "active topics" you make another post that pushes it back to the top of the list, enabling your SPAM to get your company more free advertising.

Essentially your behaviour smells strongly of SPAM! That's my principal objection.
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#270635 - 23/09/07 09:09 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Bogong]
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Bogong, I don't really think this is spam, it's good to get some info about carbon credits from the people that deal in them.
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#270639 - 23/09/07 09:14 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Bogong]
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I'm not sure this should be in travel ??
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#270657 - 23/09/07 09:25 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: markopolo]
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I reckon it'd go well in CV, personally
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#270668 - 23/09/07 09:30 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Red_switch]
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Edited by trappers (24/09/07 03:56 pm)
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#270686 - 23/09/07 09:41 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: Red_switch]
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 Originally Posted By: Red_switch
I reckon it'd go well in CV, personally



LOL LOL ......

That would be quite interesting......
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#270688 - 23/09/07 09:44 pm Re: How many trips will be made Carbon Neutral [Re: main street]
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Trappers,

Thanks for continuing the promotion for which I have nothing to gain.

I apologise if I should not have announced where giving further understanding behind the question i was asking.

Red Switch - CV ?



Edited by WickedPowder (23/09/07 09:44 pm)
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